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Old 12-16-2004, 10:44 AM   #16
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I hate to say it, but they have a point about both these players.

ESPECIALLY, when you take the dollars they are making into account.

Is Samuels worth 9 million dollars/year? Not in a million years. Is Levarr worth the money he is getting? Nope.

Both of these players are making about twice what they should.

That being said, I think Arrington has the desire and is definately an athletic freak of nature. I think Williams will help turn him into a player who earns his cash.

Samuels should be cut at the end of the season if he doesn't renegotiate for a more resonable contract.
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:06 AM   #17
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wonder if seeing Lemar Marshall perform so well and being part of the no.2 defense w/o him will temper Arrington a little bit.

exactly what made this defense so good was that no one was being a 'star' (except Sean Taylor). everyone played their roles to the plan and thats why no offense knew what was coming. everyone had a chance to get a sack in, Williams mixing everything up putting no obvious emphasis on anybody. everyone marvels at Pierce and it's because he plays smart and sound without making ANY splashy plays.

any criticism of Sean Taylor this year is exactly because he tried TOO hard to stand out, and is most likely why Williams kept Bowen and Lott in front of him until they got injured.

if anything, having LaVar out this year deprived Williams of a defensive DECOY along with a handful more sure-fire sacks.
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:13 AM   #18
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I really wish we could have seen LaVar all year in this defense.
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:18 AM   #19
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I really wish we could have seen Ramsey all year in this offense.
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:19 AM   #20
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Jansen too
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Old 12-16-2004, 12:57 PM   #21
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Defensewins: You didn't watch the MOnday night (I think) game against the Chiefs then. Where their Oline sometimes doubled him but most of the time Will Sheilds (I think again) singlehandedly owned Ray Lewis like a bitch!

I heard a commentator even say that Ray Lewis should be on that list before Urlacher. He's not what he used to be and benefits from great players around him. Not saying I totally agree, but I think Ray Lewis is the most overhyped player in the NFL.
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Old 12-16-2004, 01:13 PM   #22
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Lavar and Samuels are overrated. As for Lavar it's not all his fault. He would be much further along if he played in one defensive system his whole career. Injuries have also been a factor. Samuels has been good, but not the pro bowler he is billed as.
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Old 12-16-2004, 01:33 PM   #23
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samuels is garbage to me. i really like seeing lower round draft picks to come in (wilson) and do a great job. i like them because of their lack of bigheadedness. Bugel can get theses guys to buy in on what he is saying. like bostic, joe etc. i want a left tackle that has nothing to lose and everything to gain and bugel can whip him in to one of the best. and it all starts with the players mindset which first rounders are more bigheaded.
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Old 12-16-2004, 01:41 PM   #24
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Samuels has made some very good plays this year. He, like everyone else, needs time to adapt. That being said, he better restructure or he's outta here.
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everyone who needs surgery for any chronic injuries (COLES, SAMUELS) better get it this year!
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Old 12-16-2004, 04:35 PM   #26
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I really do not think it would matter for LaVar. He is definetly a player who will have a short lived career. As much as I like to see him on the field. His chances of getting hurt are doubled of the average player. It is so hard to get a solid view on Samuels. One day no one can get by. Then the next a 95 year old grandpa with no legs could blow by him. The only way Samules will be here next year is if he restructures his vastly over-paid contract.
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Old 12-16-2004, 04:39 PM   #27
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Samuels has had a decent year and he's also been quietly playing hurt.

Hopefully he'll restructure, get healthy and bounce back strong in '05.
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:20 AM   #28
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I agree with the entire list for the most part.

Urlacher is definitely way overhyped.

As for Arrington and Samuels, yeah I'll buy it.

But who's responsible for the overhyping? Funny how the media loves to build people up and at the same time they love to break 'em down.

I'm surprised Champ didn't make the list.

Good post!
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:27 AM   #29
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wonder if seeing Lemar Marshall perform so well and being part of the no.2 defense w/o him will temper Arrington a little bit.

exactly what made this defense so good was that no one was being a 'star' (except Sean Taylor). everyone played their roles to the plan and thats why no offense knew what was coming. everyone had a chance to get a sack in, Williams mixing everything up putting no obvious emphasis on anybody. everyone marvels at Pierce and it's because he plays smart and sound without making ANY splashy plays.

any criticism of Sean Taylor this year is exactly because he tried TOO hard to stand out, and is most likely why Williams kept Bowen and Lott in front of him until they got injured.

if anything, having LaVar out this year deprived Williams of a defensive DECOY along with a handful more sure-fire sacks.

Lemar has been adequate, I want to see Clemon's get a real shot that guy has some serious speed and look's very aggresive, he's probably right now a little green instinct wise but let's see if he progresses, you can teach a player to play LB, you can't teach speed and he has it.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:16 AM   #30
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Samuels has had a decent year and he's also been quietly playing hurt.

Hopefully he'll restructure, get healthy and bounce back strong in '05.
didn't he play hurt all last year too? wasn't that his psuedo-excuse then too? whatever it is, he better get it fixed. Coles too.
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