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Old 12-17-2004, 09:54 AM   #16
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I think Gardner will stay too. He's made some really big catches this year. I think we need to hit him downfield more (or anyone for that matter.) Like in the Dallas game!
I agree, it has more the terrible play of our Qb's and our play calling, not the play of our receivers. If Coles finally gets healthy our receivers will be fine. A full offseason with Gibbs and CO. will really help everyone on offense.
I think some of our high priced vets like Samules and Arrington need to be careful. We have several cheap players that are playing just as well but at a fraction of the price.
Trade bait?
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:23 AM   #17
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There's not much reason to let Gardner go when he's on the last year of his deal.

Unless we can get some value for him in a trade (which I highly doubt) I expect him to be back next year playing for a big contract, and hopefully his big payday won't come from us.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:39 AM   #18
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I agree, it has more the terrible play of our Qb's and our play calling, not the play of our receivers. If Coles finally gets healthy our receivers will be fine. A full offseason with Gibbs and CO. will really help everyone on offense.
I think some of our high priced vets like Samules and Arrington need to be careful. We have several cheap players that are playing just as well but at a fraction of the price.
Trade bait?
our offense DID have a full offseason with Gibbs and Co.

but yeah a full offseason AFTER a full regular season, seeing Portis's strengths, and more importantly with Ramsey at the undisputed helm SHOULD do us a lot of good.

but Coles needs to get healthy, because right now we have TWO possession recievers and no deep ones. kills off a vital dimension to our offense, not to mention a dimension Gibbs loves.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:54 AM   #19
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In these last three games I want to see them try Jacobs at speed receiver. From what I hear this guy flys, but we haven't seen enough of him this season to really make an accurate assumption. I still think he was a steal in the 2nd round (thank god he had the flu during the combine!)

Not sure if he's gotten the shot he deserves yet.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:02 AM   #20
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There's not much reason to let Gardner go when he's on the last year of his deal.

Unless we can get some value for him in a trade (which I highly doubt) I expect him to be back next year playing for a big contract, and hopefully his big payday won't come from us.
Yep, I agree! I don't think it would hurt us to unload Gardner if he's going to continue to live up to his nickname 50/50. I wouldn't mind seeing a veteran receiver come in (such as what Henry Ellard gave us) and work as a mentor for the receivers. It could also possible help us with consistancy with our wide outs...something we've been missing badly this year.
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Old 12-17-2004, 12:03 PM   #21
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Don't forget Samuels

Samuels is gone (unless he agrees to a dramatic restructuring)
Gardner
Cartwright
One of Raymer/Friedman

On the Defensive side,

Barrow is gone
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Old 12-17-2004, 02:19 PM   #22
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we have the deep threat they just aren't using him. get a clutch possession reciever
Fill me in?
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Old 12-17-2004, 02:39 PM   #23
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Wyn ~ Samuels ~ Cartwright ~ Kozlowski ~ Possibly Gardner

Wyn and Samuels present future Cap issues and you might as well offload now and take the hit. The real question is how much money are the willing to spend on Pierce and if so will they let Barrow go?
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:28 PM   #24
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Hall will be back as long as his leg problems are resolved.

I'm not sure about letting Wynn go either, he's had his best season as a Redskin, he seems to be a good fit in this defense, then again you can say that of almost anyone this year it seems.
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:18 PM   #25
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Trade Who?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here. But who would want any of our players that people on this board suggest we trade? I mean, what team is going to say, "hey, this guy isn't wanted by a sub .500 team. Let's sign him here." We stink folks. We don't want some of these players because it is believed they are helping us stink. I can't imaging any team out there picking up rejects. Well, except for the Washington Redskins! Dohhh!!!
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Old 12-17-2004, 05:07 PM   #26
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Fill me in?
I have a feeling aehs77 is going to say Taylor Jacobs. Another one of those incrediblly talented guys on our roster that can't even crack the starting lineup. It is amazing that since Champ Bailey said once after the first few non-contact spring practices (last season) that Taylor Jacobs was the toughest WR to cover on our team. I guess some guys have taken that one statement and run with it.
Taylor Jacobs must not be showing much in practice because Gibbs has a history of giving anyone with talent a chance. Gibbs especially has given so many low draft pick or undrafted WR's like Gary Clark, Alvin Garret, Charlie Brown and Virgil Seay a chance and they did well.
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Old 12-17-2004, 09:12 PM   #27
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Either Raymer or Friedman. We need an upgrade at center. No question.

Cartwright unless he can do the opposite of this season and pack on 30
pounds and become the power back we lack right now.

Kozlowski or Sellars - we need a more solid tight end. We may not find one but I bet one of these guys go just to make that point clear to the remaining TE's.

I think Barrow stays if he is healthy at the start of camp. Gibbs and Williams won't forget this years injuries and will want some depth. If the injury lingers, even a little, he is gone.

Gardner - is a question mark. These last few games may decide it. I think he will be around next year.

Morton - gone. Possibly one of the only guys with a little trade value. NY may want him back.
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Old 12-17-2004, 09:49 PM   #28
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*samuels
raymer
gardner
kozlowski

*daniels
barrow
ADE!
lott

just a guess, samuels and daniels might cost us later down the road, but i dont think gibbs is a big fan of samuels nor anyone else, and daniels seemed way to injury proan to keep on the roster. but i hope we dont cut barrow, he is a tackling machine and maybe this was a fluke year for him.
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Old 12-18-2004, 09:22 AM   #29
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......and daniels seemed way to injury proan to keep on the roster. but i hope we dont cut barrow, he is a tackling machine and maybe this was a fluke year for him.
You when reach Barrow's age and miss an entire season with a knee injury where there is no actual structural damage, it is not a good sign. Barrow's knee is more an accumalated wear and tear thing over the years than an actual injury from a play that bent his knee and tore something. You can't point your finger and say something like... 'in preseason game 3 one of the cheap/dirty Denver Broncos lineman dove at his knee and hyperextended it.
I hope he comes back to form, he is a great player, but his knee problem is similar to what ended Dave Fiore career. PLus we will take a Salary cap hit if he retires or gets cut before next season.
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Old 12-18-2004, 01:33 PM   #30
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Gardiner seems to be the popular choice, but I have some trouble believing that they will cut him upright. His cap number isn't as large as some other guys who would probably be cut before him - if they don't renegotiate - like Samuels and Wynn.

I have a feeling Brunell will be back for one more year, and then will be cut in June 2006.

If the doctors think that Barrow can heal properly, I feel as though he could be around for another year as well.

The talk of Dockery or Taylor being cut is just nonsense. Both of them are talented young players who are hard workers (Taylor has been good on special teams which makes him practically a lock) - and their salaries are not that large.

Morton's injury, cap number, and lack of productivity could spell doom for him.
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