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Old 03-19-2011, 09:49 PM   #46
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Wasn't Hall the only player to allow a TD pass in that game?
Yes to Austin but he still made the biggest play of the game..
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:54 PM   #47
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Yes to Austin but he still made the biggest play of the game..
He did do that.

Surely though, the heroics in that game belong to Brian Orakpo. If any one player beat Dallas in that game, it was 98.
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Old 03-20-2011, 02:59 AM   #48
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Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

I for one, saw what I expected from dhall in pass coverage this year. An up and down player. I'm fine with it though because we clearly are starving for players on D that can take anything the other way.

What I didnt expect from Dhall was just how much his tackling improved. He made a ton of key tackles and for the most part was one of the better tacklers on our team. Crazy that I'm saying that about DeAngelo.... lol
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:02 AM   #49
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Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

I think the hate for D Hall is way out of hand . He is what he always has been a gambler . The problem is last season is the D as a whole was not clicking . If you have a gambler like Hall out there you need a mop up FS which is what we were missing so Halls misses don't kill you .

The reason I think we should resign Rogers is because he is a decent complement to Hall .

Barnes - I really don't understand the love . He is a 3rd year player who got to start 4 games in his career all at FS . Tyron was better .
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:12 PM   #50
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DeAngelo Hall returned a fumble for a score and Graham Gano kicked two field goals, as the Redskins held on to edge the Cowboys, 13-7.

We can all thank D.Hall for the only win of the season that actually counted for anything. (Beating the Cowboys)
It was D. Hall that gave up their one score. Also, on the last play of the game, Roy Williams scored a game winning touchdown that was negated by a holding call. If they were in fact playing zone, guess who got beat again? Yup. DeAngelo Hall.

Also, the mere fact he recovered a fumble recovery is pure luck. The act of stripping it is skill, the fumble recovery is pure luck. Regardless, it wasn't his abilities as a Cover Corner that scored that TD.

So we can thank D. Hall for the win and just disregard Gano FG's?


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Revis and Newman are on the list too. I would love to have both of those guys.

The Redskins had very little pressure all year and the worst free safety play in the league. I'm shocked that Rogers isn't on the list...
You realize that Revis was ranked #1 in success rate.
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Best Cornerback Charting Stats 2010

He only rated bad on YAC. He doesn't give up much, but seems that WRs get yards after the catch to a tune of 4.7. He still only gave up a outstanding 5.6 yards per pass. D. Hall didnt' sniff the top stats on any of the "Best of" list. He did however manage to be top 3 in all the worst categories.

As far as the Cowboys, you realize they rank poorly in pass defense right? (26th in 2010, and 20th in 2009)This coincides with the rankings as well.
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I posted stats in the other D. Hall thread from the 2007 season I believe that showed C. Rogers being one of the best in terms of coverage.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:22 PM   #51
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DeAngelo Hall must be on that new drug called "Charlie Sheen" because he sure does "win" a lot for a person who contains so much suck.

NFL Player "Win"
Starter "Win"
Funble Recovery "Win"
Touchdowns "Win"
Interceptions "Win"
Pro Bowl "Win"
Pro Bowl MVP "Win"
Extra Pro Bowl Cash "Win"
Lucrative Contract "Win"
Winning "Win"

Must make you hate your life huh?
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I'll just restate what I've said in the past...Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. He'll tease you and make you think maybe this is the night, but you go home thinking well that was nice, but I feel a bit unsatisfied. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. You may go home with a disease, but at least you know you'll get something out of Champagne
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I'll just restate what I've said in the past...Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. He'll tease you and make you think maybe this is the night, but you go home thinking well that was nice, but I feel a bit unsatisfied. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. You may go home with a disease, but at least you know you'll get something out of Champagne

Bad experiences?
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:00 PM   #54
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So it's fine if he beat two teams by himself and shit all over himself the other 14 games. YEAH!!!

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So the score is now 4-2 in favor of games lost over games won. So much for that being a valid reason as to why he's good.

Funny you picked one of the best QB's and WR's in the NFL to support your argument. You also used a play where he slipped which is not fair.
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Football outsiders = Over Rated
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:24 PM   #56
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I don't see how he is overrated if he single handedly won 2 games and people are still giving him crap for giving up to many completions.

I'd say he is being rated right where he needs to be because he is overrated by those who like em and underrated by those who hate em.

Hooskins, I bet if he played for UVA instead of VT you will be on the other side of the fence. Why cant us VA boys just get along?

It has nothing to do with colleges. The post I made in the other thread was just a joke to see what the response would be. As usual, people flipped out.

I have tons of friends and family that went to VT. Cody Grimm, went to VT and I'm a fan. Conversely, there are former UVA players I don't like like Aaron Brooks and Tiki Barber. I just keeps it real.

In terms of d hall I think the law of averages panned out for him this year for picks. Seasons before were horrible compounding with his poor coverage. His overall numbers for coverage haven't changed, as seen in this article and previous seasons.
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Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

Leave D Hall alone, he gets a free pass for the rest of his career for his play against Dallas in the season opener!!!!!!!!!!!
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DeAngelo Hall must be on that new drug called "Charlie Sheen" because he sure does "win" a lot for a person who contains so much suck.

NFL Player "Win"
Starter "Win"
Funble Recovery "Win"
Touchdowns "Win"
Interceptions "Win"
Pro Bowl "Win"
Pro Bowl MVP "Win"
Extra Pro Bowl Cash "Win"
Lucrative Contract "Win"
Winning "Win"

Must make you hate your life huh?

You need to replace Win with Luck in order to make those previous statements true.
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Most times Luck is just a matter of Good Preparation & Taking advantage of opportunities.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:27 AM   #60
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Making qualitative arguments are great and all, but you use the quantitative to back up specific points. Completely ignoring statistics is loser talk. Providing critical feedback and counter quantitative figures is what d-hall advocates should do. I haven't seen anything substantial yet. Or anyone really reply to Gtripps last post.

I would love to see Hall change and improve next year, but his track record shows nothing to indicate he will.
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