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Old 03-21-2011, 09:56 AM   #61
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Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

[QUOTE=hooskins;789874]Making qualitative arguments are great and all, but you use the quantitative to back up specific points. Completely ignoring statistics is loser talk. Providing critical feedback and counter quantitative figures is what d-hall advocates should do. I haven't seen anything substantial yet. Or anyone really reply to Gtripps last post.

I would love to see Hall change and improve next year, but his track record shows nothing to indicate he will.[/QUOTE]

By no means take this as a vote of confidence for Hall, just want to address your statements:

1) I think those that support him have pointed out why, if you want "quantitative figures" Hall actually had them in 2010: INTs (6), TDs (2) & fumble recoveries (at least 1). I understand your statement, but remember that Hall made a pro bowl on the basis of "quantitative figures," not being a complete, every play corner. btw, he can add pro bowl MVP to his resume too.

2) I agree, I would love to see him gamble less, play every down strategically & make the mundane play that stops drives, like tackling a reciever on a quick slant short of the marker, making the qb throw to his check down due to tight coverage, etc. I have to say though, that he has improved in attitude greatly over the years from what I can tell. Sure, he still runs his mouth, but the fact that he became a captain was a big step for him. He is less "MeAngelo" than before, so I have some guarded optimism that he can still improve his game.

Overall, he is hard to evaluate, so I won't get caught up in #s that can be debated either way. I myself find it hard to label him. If I'm Jim Hassell I make it a priority to get more out of him.
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You need to replace Win with Luck in order to make those previous statements true.
If Luck makes you win, then so be it. What was that old cliche...

"Better lucky than good."?

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."?

Whichever it is you have to be somewhat good to get lucky that often.

Just ask Hugh Hefner!
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Making qualitative arguments are great and all, but you use the quantitative to back up specific points. Completely ignoring statistics is loser talk. Providing critical feedback and counter quantitative figures is what d-hall advocates should do. I haven't seen anything substantial yet. Or anyone really reply to Gtripps last post.

I would love to see Hall change and improve next year, but his track record shows nothing to indicate he will.[/QUOTE]

By no means take this as a vote of confidence for Hall, just want to address your statements:

1) I think those that support him have pointed out why, if you want "quantitative figures" Hall actually had them in 2010: INTs (6), TDs (2) & fumble recoveries (at least 1). I understand your statement, but remember that Hall made a pro bowl on the basis of "quantitative figures," not being a complete, every play corner. btw, he can add pro bowl MVP to his resume too.

2) I agree, I would love to see him gamble less, play every down strategically & make the mundane play that stops drives, like tackling a reciever on a quick slant short of the marker, making the qb throw to his check down due to tight coverage, etc. I have to say though, that he has improved in attitude greatly over the years from what I can tell. Sure, he still runs his mouth, but the fact that he became a captain was a big step for him. He is less "MeAngelo" than before, so I have some guarded optimism that he can still improve his game.

Overall, he is hard to evaluate, so I won't get caught up in #s that can be debated either way. I myself find it hard to label him. If I'm Jim Hassell I make it a priority to get more out of him.
1) see my previous post. I think the picks, tds, etc. are a result of law of averages panning out. Just because those numbers are high, doesn't mean there a real change in trend. Just like how you can hit black 10 times in a row a casino, but the probability of black is still a bit below 500. In the short run results can be erradic, but after the sample size is increased dhall will return to being dhall. No consistent change from him.

2)Agree with your agreement.
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If Luck makes you win, then so be it. What was that old cliche...

"Better lucky than good."?

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."?

Whichever it is you have to be somewhat good to get lucky that often.

Just ask Hugh Hefner!
Very true, just trying to keep our rationale consistent on the board. Any positives from a lack luster season has to be consistently sh*t on. Any "wins" need to be considered luck or well undeserved. I think someone once said "win is not really a win"
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If Luck makes you win, then so be it. What was that old cliche...

"Better lucky than good."?

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."?

Whichever it is you have to be somewhat good to get lucky that often.

Just ask Hugh Hefner!
Luck is when you suck so bad that you get the number 1 pick in the 2012 draft.
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Luck is when you suck so bad that you get the number 1 pick in the 2012 draft.
Now that would be a Win
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So it seems that Hall has become the new Jason Campbell, as in the player that divides Redskins fans the most.
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So it seems that Hall has become the new Jason Campbell, as in the player that divides Redskins fans the most.
Hall has been a PB player JC was never on that kind of level.. Campbell was always going to be JUST A GUY for the Redskins.
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IDK why 23 gets hated so much buy his own fans? Sad really if u think about it.. Hall is twice the corner Fred Smoot was IMO, Now thats a guy who was overrated.
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IDK why 23 gets hated so much buy his own fans? Sad really if u think about it.. Hall is twice the corner Fred Smoot was IMO, Now thats a guy who was overrated.
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By the way, I never realized how much Fred Smoot looks like LaDanian Tomlinson

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Lol my fault SS !!! Haha
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No one noticed DeAngelo's improved tackling and general improvement in hustle (for lack of better term)?

or are we all about the numbers?
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Hall has been a PB player JC was never on that kind of level.. Campbell was always going to be JUST A GUY for the Redskins.
Ha, Jason Campbell never close to seeing the probowl...
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This what happens when no one can present a valid response to points. Thread just ends up with people posting videos, nothing concrete and falling on the haters excuse haha.

Ah, well my work here is done!
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