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Old 12-17-2004, 10:11 AM   #16
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as good as our defense was, one thing we didn't get alot of was sacks. plenty of pressure, and it made our defense no.2, but sacks would have gotten us to no.1 i'm sure of it.

having Arrington out there will be great for our team, but only if Gregg Williams wants him to be. next year, he will add a more fearsome dimension to our defense, Williams will play him in so many roles, offenses will be dizzy.

but this year, reel him in. LaVar will want to really hit somebody being pent up all season and he could hurt something unseen weakened from the recovery. LIMITED use.

but let him start vs. the Cowboys
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:24 AM   #17
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Are you serious, you guys start talking this freelancing stuff ever since some reporter who probably hasnt even seen Lavar play this season (including pre-season games) and you start talking about how Lavar is discipline and how he freelancing alot. Come on guys this can't be serious we know that in the past that's what he has done but realisticly before he was our only playmaker on defense even when we had Champ. Even the last couple of years whenever he forced a turnover no one was ever around the ball to recover it. The point that i am trying to get across is you really can only assess him on 6 games this year and that includes 5 preseason games, as true Redskin fans we have watched him and seen how he has developed from year's past so please cut him a break!
Slow down.

LaVar has a career long history of freelancing. It's where some of his most spectacular plays have happened. It's also where he's been burnt the most. The only year LaVar didn't excessively freelance was when Marvin Lewis made him play DE on some plays. The shift in position forced him to pay attention to the schemes and play less instinctively.

There nothing wrong with playing by instinct - if it's within the parameters of the scheme. Blitzing is a perfect example. Sometimes it's best to wait a half second before going in - blockers discount your presence if you aren't coming at them. Sometimes its best to try to jump the snap count and be in before the offense can react (LaVar Leap, anyone?) That can't be taught, and LaVar's instincts are excellent at that. The problem becomes when he thinks a play is going one way, and his responsibilities are in another area. If he leaves his gap to make a big play, and he's wrong (or the offense sees him cheating and changes the play), LaVar's the problem.

The reason you let LaVar play these last three games is because we need to see him buy into Gregg Williams's system. He knows it works, he's been watching the results. Knowing it works and believing you aren't above it are two different things. If he can "be LaVar" and do the things that are asked of him in a given play, we're fine. If he has trouble adjusting, then we have an offseason to surround him with the people who can either keep him in line or allow him more freedom to move around.

The other reason you let LaVar play is that he gives the team a boost on both sides of the ball. He has a historical knack for creating turnovers and firing up players and fans alike.

Besides, if they wanted to "rush him back", don't you think we would have seen him against the Eagles? He practiced three days before that game, and could have been put on the roster, even in a limited role. This staff has shown a lot of patience with this injury, when their own credibility has been on the line.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:52 AM   #18
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Good post Brud. Make a good point about Lavar's history and rushing him back. I just hope he doesn't re-injure it!
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:54 AM   #19
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nice post BL, good points across the board
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Old 12-17-2004, 01:14 PM   #20
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Most important thing is that he stays healthy....
Remember, Lavar will be at his natural postiion (weak-side lb) for
the first time in his career...
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Old 12-17-2004, 01:30 PM   #21
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Look, if he's not physically ready, he shouldn't be back. and especailly if there's liklihood that he'll reinjure himself.

But I think the main reason he should play is becuase he needs to show his teamates, his coaches, and himself, that he is a REAL REDSKIN. That means playing hurt like his fellow skins Smoot, Thomas, Griffen, stc. And he wants to be there in the bad times with this team so he can feel the satisfaction when we get better. He is suppossed to be a leader on this defense, and he can't do that from the sidelines.

Williams will use Lavar all over the place. He hides his formations very well; that's why his blitzes are effective. Lavar will come off the end, but mainly as the weakside LB. He creates havoc that way: try blocking him with an RB!
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:31 PM   #22
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Look, if he's not physically ready, he shouldn't be back. and especailly if there's liklihood that he'll reinjure himself.

But I think the main reason he should play is becuase he needs to show his teamates, his coaches, and himself, that he is a REAL REDSKIN. That means playing hurt like his fellow skins Smoot, Thomas, Griffen, stc. And he wants to be there in the bad times with this team so he can feel the satisfaction when we get better. He is suppossed to be a leader on this defense, and he can't do that from the sidelines.

Williams will use Lavar all over the place. He hides his formations very well; that's why his blitzes are effective. Lavar will come off the end, but mainly as the weakside LB. He creates havoc that way: try blocking him with an RB!
Aren't you contradicting yourself...first you say he shouldn't play if he isn't physically ready and then right after that you say he should play hurt to show that he is a true Redskin. Doesn't make sense.

I don't think it's necessary that he show proof he wants to be a Redskin. He proved it with the contract extension and by not letting the greivance get in the way.

Playing hurt to show that you are a true Redskin only really works if you continue to play in the same game that you got hurt in....ie smoot with his shoulders and coles with his dislocated finger. Coming back after being out 11 weeks isn't really showing you can play hurt.
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:45 PM   #23
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Not quite contradicting myself There's a distinction between playing hurt and playing hurt when it could risk long-term injury.

Look, if he's risking long-term injury, he shouldn't play. Otherwise, I think it's important to get on the field and become part of this defense. He needs to prove it to his teamates on the field, not in the front office. As for staying in the game, sure, that's a way to do it, but look at Thomas coming back with the hammy, or Griffen with the hip. That inspired the team and showed that those guys are "real redskins".

Lavar is a gifted player and one who can change a game with big plays. As it stands now, we have folks on this board (and elsewhere) calling to trade/get rid of him, etc., because Lemar Marshall is playing well. Lavar needs to get it there and show that he can fit with this team and make it better. Lavar was listed on the "most overrated" team. He's also been accused of putting himself and his image before the team, of not being a team guy, etc. Getting back on the field even with a dinged knee shows your teamates and coaches that the team comes first, that even when he could have shut it down and rested on the sidelines, come back next year rested, etc. Instead, he toughed it out to be with his fellow skins in the trenches. That's how you earn respect as a team leader, not by signing a contract or ignoring arbitration hearings, etc.

Lavar needs to come in and put his mark on this season, even in the late stages, so he can make a legitemate claim to being a core guy who stuck it out in the tough times. Our team is better with Lavar in the mix, and getting him in there now gets the chemistry going that much sooner.
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Old 12-17-2004, 07:43 PM   #24
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I agree with most of what you're saying jwsleep, but i have another question. If Jansen was not on IR would you want him back in the games now since he is apparently ready? Does he need to prove that he is a "core guy?" No, I don't think he does and I'm sure you don't think he does either. My point being, I don't feel that Arrington needs to prove to anyone, players or coaches or fans, that he is a "core guy" at this point.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:25 PM   #25
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difference between Arrington and Jansen is really the money and the fact that Lavar is the most popular redskin, so he has all the media attention.. Jansen doesnt have that.. people want to see what Lavar can do under Gregg Williams
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Old 12-18-2004, 02:59 AM   #26
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I actually would be kinda psyched to see Jansen out there. From what I read (Times, maybe?) they had to put him on IR becuase they weren't sure if he'd be ready and they needed a replacment.

But I take your point about Lavar, NYskinsfan: no doubt he's a core guy. But I'll just be psyched to see if it can all fit together. I would have said Jansen and Lavar were the team captains prior to the season. The sooner we get our leaders out there on the field, the better for cohesion, chemistry, and kickin' ass.

(And I predicted to a cowroid fan that Lavar would "retire" Vinny like he "retired" Troy. Gotta make good on those promises! )
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Old 12-18-2004, 06:58 AM   #27
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I actually would be kinda psyched to see Jansen out there. From what I read (Times, maybe?) they had to put him on IR becuase they weren't sure if he'd be ready and they needed a replacment.

But I take your point about Lavar, NYskinsfan: no doubt he's a core guy. But I'll just be psyched to see if it can all fit together. I would have said Jansen and Lavar were the team captains prior to the season. The sooner we get our leaders out there on the field, the better for cohesion, chemistry, and kickin' ass.

(And I predicted to a cowroid fan that Lavar would "retire" Vinny like he "retired" Troy. Gotta make good on those promises! )
Oh, man if Lavar can retire Vinny like he did Troy, that would be a great ending to a dismal year.
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Old 12-18-2004, 06:55 PM   #28
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Arrington has only played at DE in the first half of the 49ers game.
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