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Old 05-09-2011, 11:14 AM   #211
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I give you credit for making it to the halfway point.
I don't. Was it emotional yes, but the point he made should be one that all of us can agree with, Get past the symbolic stuff, take the position of Commisioner to heart, and get both sides back to reality. To tint it with a throwaway line about Cowboys fans was a foolish snide remark, and that is why I prefaced it to say this wasn't a wannabe politico or simpleton, this is a man that is as respected on their board as Matty is here. Also, he definitely has contacts in the league that has given him the ability for his words to be mean something in insider circles.

I hate the cowboys as much as anyone, but this issue isn't about watching dallas fans whine, or about arguing amongst ourselves over who is more at fault, it's about both sides rolling up their sleeves, locking themselves in a room and hammering out a real and stable deal, like Hostile said.

If you can't read an emotional response from an intelligent man and fan, then that is your loss, not his.
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:23 AM   #212
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Here is a link to a Colts fan who received a direct call from Goodell, this is after the Colts group call last week. just another read:
A Conversation with Roger Goodell
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Intelligent fan I can read, rambling fan I can not. I'm almost betting the commish will get as far as I did and put it in the pile of other letters.

Rule #1- You want to be heard, make your point, and make it short and sweet.

I'm all for sticking together, but again there are a lot of us who can't decide which side to pick. I'm actually leaning towards the owners a little. I don't like everything they have done but I understand their situation. Just like I'm sure there are fans who don't and only want to understand the players side of things and think that owners are unreasonable.

But we as fans can all stick together and pick the players side, put pressure on the owners to get something done, give up the money issue, and later down the road when the piss poor markets start complaining that they can't afford to stay in their market and want to move..... don't be the first fan to scream foul. Let the owner move his team to a more lucrative market so there will be less revinue sharing and teams can keep more of their income.
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Intelligent fan I can read, rambling fan I can not. I'm almost betting the commish will get as far as I did and put it in the pile of other letters.

Rule #1- You want to be heard, make your point, and make it short and sweet.

I'm all for sticking together, but again there are a lot of us who can't decide which side to pick. I'm actually leaning towards the owners a little. I don't like everything they have done but I understand their situation. Just like I'm sure there are fans who don't and only want to understand the players side of things and think that owners are unreasonable.

But we as fans can all stick together and pick the players side, put pressure on the owners to get something done, give up the money issue, and later down the road when the piss poor markets start complaining that they can't afford to stay in their market and want to move..... don't be the first fan to scream foul. Let the owner move his team to a more lucrative market so there will be less revinue sharing and teams can keep more of their income.
I don't think any fans here are going to scream foul if any team owners moves their team to another city. Ironically thought some of the teams that are in danger of being moved by their owners , are probably going to have sh*tty seasons because of this lockout, resulting in a more prompt move.
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Intelligent fan I can read, rambling fan I can not. I'm almost betting the commish will get as far as I did and put it in the pile of other letters.

Rule #1- You want to be heard, make your point, and make it short and sweet.

I'm all for sticking together, but again there are a lot of us who can't decide which side to pick. I'm actually leaning towards the owners a little. I don't like everything they have done but I understand their situation. Just like I'm sure there are fans who don't and only want to understand the players side of things and think that owners are unreasonable.

But we as fans can all stick together and pick the players side, put pressure on the owners to get something done, give up the money issue, and later down the road when the piss poor markets start complaining that they can't afford to stay in their market and want to move..... don't be the first fan to scream foul. Let the owner move his team to a more lucrative market so there will be less revinue sharing and teams can keep more of their income.
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^ I should practice what I preach... short and sweet. lol. But honestly no big wig is going to read something that will take too long to read.
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^ I should practice what I preach... short and sweet. lol. But honestly no big wig is going to read something that will take too long to read.
Isn't Goodell a lawyer, I'm sure he's used to reading boring repetitive stuff.

Anyway, back to lockout stuff. I find it interesting that the NFL is making contingency plans for free agency rules if the 8th Circuit Court rules against them.

Report: NFL crafting alternative to 2010 rules | ProFootballTalk
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Funny thing about all of this is even though the players are granted 53% of total revenue the fact remains that the owners don't have to pay guaranteed contracts like the NHL, NBA, and MLB not to mention the fact that unlike the MLB and NHL the NFL doesn't have to assemble farm teams.
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You can write as many letters as you want, but you are dealing with a group of men who's bottom line is money. They don't give a rats ass about the fans, just their money. They don't give a **** if you go without football, it's about a higher profit margin for them. They don't give a **** if it messes up your family outing on Sundays, just hand t hem the cash. They don't give a **** who this affects beyond their pockets.

I say the average American person is stupid, and I think the test scores worldwide back up that statement. Corporate America doesn't want intelligent people in this country because it'll ruin everything for them. They want you just smart enough to operate the machinery/PC, but dumb enough to believe the crap they shovel your direction.

You want action? You want results? Cut off their lifeline. Stop giving these guys money. Stop buying the merchandise, and stop buying the tickets. The owners just sit back and laugh at all you because no matter how bad they treat you, you keep on coming back for more.

This isn't meant to be insulting to anybody, just my view on this whole fiasco. The power lies in you.
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NC_Skins, Does your sentiment include the players?
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I read the above link that had the fans' conversation with Roger Goodell.

He said that he has plans to speak to the season ticket holders from all 32 clubs. When is he going to speak with the Redskins, or have I already missed that in this thread somewhere??
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Funny thing about all of this is even though the players are granted 53% of total revenue the fact remains that the owners don't have to pay guaranteed contracts like the NHL, NBA, and MLB not to mention the fact that unlike the MLB and NHL the NFL doesn't have to assemble farm teams.
So if a player signs a 6 yr deal and the team cuts him after 3 yrs they don't have to pay him his guaranteed money? For what ever reason I thought thats why it was called "guaranteed?"

I'd much prefer the NFL had farm teams. Atleast the rookies would have a little more developement time.
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So if a player signs a 6 yr deal and the team cuts him after 3 yrs they don't have to pay him his guaranteed money? For what ever reason I thought thats why it was called "guaranteed?"

I'd much prefer the NFL had farm teams. Atleast the rookies would have a little more developement time.
What I meant to say was only a portion of it is guaranteed in the NFL. The majority of contracts in the other 3 leagues are guaranteed a 100%. See Michael Nylander in the NHL and Stephon Marbury in the NBA. A-Rod for example is going to see virtually every penny of his $275 million contract before taxes and alimony. Sure some teams offer tryout contracts and incentive laden deals but for the most part when you sign a deal with the other 3 leagues you are going to see every penny....before taxes.

Haynesworth on the other hand signs a $100 million contract but when he signed it most experts were calling it a $40 million contract.
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Haven't heard a K. Schmoke quote since I listened to him in an interview about his appearance on "The Wire." Love that dude, & his schmokey name, though it might not've been the best name for a mayor that suggested legalizing drugs!
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