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Old 05-01-2011, 02:17 PM   #76
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I don't get this way of thinking at all. It is like hoping that that someone rapes your wife so that you can then earn brownie points by being there to console her.

A fan, by definition, roots for his team to do well.
What is 7 or 8 wins going to accomplish for a team that needs an overhaul? When it's all said and done we need a franchise QB, someone that when they walk on the field can make everyone around them better. I don't know who that person is, but he's obviously not on the roster.
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GMs have to adopt the attitude though, if there's a player that will be a game-breaker to be obtained and the current roster isn't worth preserving. However, rather than ask the coach to tank, they blow up the team so that it can't win that many games. The Caps, while in a different sport, did adopt this strategy.


And so do the Wizards.
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:32 PM   #78
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Playoffs. This team has a hell of a lot of talent, the OL will have another year of experience. The team is loaded and Harbaugh will lead them to the playoffs.
No chance, the rams and cards will both be better than SF. Gore is older and more injury prone, VDavis isn't a Superstar as someone else just said and they have no QB, defense wasnt anything special and Who's the star WR? Like I said 7 wins maybe
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Old 05-01-2011, 03:11 PM   #79
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i think beck has a good shot to be our starter next year. former second round pick not too long ago, '07 i think, who never has really had a shot. shannahan said he was his #1 qb coming out in that draft by a large margin, and we signed him to an extension without him ever taking a snap for us. shannahan obviously really likes him and feels comfortable with our QB situation right now. im curious to see if beck could really be the guy for us, as crazy as it sounds.
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Might as well give JB a shot who else we got
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Old 05-01-2011, 03:15 PM   #81
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We definitely need to completely rebuild. I don't know if we should start John Beck or not but he should be given a chance to compete. We shouldn't resign Santana, especially with all those receivers we drafted. The only person I would definitely resign is Rocky McIntosh. Maybe keep Carlos Rogers if he'll resign for the right price and Jamal Brown since we did nothing to help ourselves on the o-line. We need to get younger overall and it looks like this team finally realizes it with this draft.
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I have no idea why Shanahan is so high on John Beck. Average arm, average mobility, can't make the players around him better...I really don't care what the guy did in college cause that was like 5 years ago.
I understand what you're saying and there are a lot of people who agree with you. What I see happening here is that Shanahan probably feels that in the short term he has enough in Beck and Grossman [if he's resigned] that he wouldn't feel pressed to draft an unworthy QB just because there's a need when we have so many needs in other places.

I trust in his statement that he has a plan, we don't know what that plan is, whether in the end it will include a cobination of Beck - Grossman or neither is to be determined.

[Quote] I don't care what the guy did in college [Unquote] I say that about every player at every position that leaves the collegiate ranks and enters the NFL.
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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

I love all of the armchair experts who have already written the eulogy on Beck's QB career. So I guess if A team (or more than one team) gives up on you or trades you then clearly you have no ability to start as a QB in the NFL, right?

I guess Drew Brees, Mike Vick, Kerry Collins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Shaun Hill-all of whom have either been traded, released or consciously not been brought back-aren't viable NFL QBs, right? Beck may not ever be on the level of even Fitzpatrick but if Shanahan, who has made chicken salad out of chicken sh*t QBs before in Griese & Plummer, believes he can be a productive QB in his system why in May am I throwing dirt on the grave?

This could all be a smokescreen for another QB (Young comes to mind but I don't think his work ethic matches Shanny's expectations) but in the absence of such then I'm willing to see what Beck brings before giving up on him. We know Grossman is a human turnover machine so why not give Beck a shot?

And for the 'lets hold out for Andrew Luck' folks, get a clue, unless we are planning to trade our 2013 draft to get in place for the 2012 overall #1 pick it's not gonna happen.
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I have no idea why Shanahan is so high on John Beck. Average arm, average mobility, can't make the players around him better...I really don't care what the guy did in college cause that was like 5 years ago.
I hear ya, BUT MS never said JB would be the starter.
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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

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GMs have to adopt the attitude though, if there's a player that will be a game-breaker to be obtained and the current roster isn't worth preserving. However, rather than ask the coach to tank, they blow up the team so that it can't win that many games. The Caps, while in a different sport, did adopt this strategy.
There are several differences between that example and the posts above:

1) GM's take economic factors into account when blowing up a team, not just performance factors. "Fans" above are simply accounting for performance and praying that the Skins do not perform, just like Cowboys fans do.
2) Football is dramatically different from hockey and basketball in that there are more moving pieces and less of an emphasis on purely individual performance. Therefore there is greater sense in completely blowing up a team in other sports than there is in football.
3) The fans above are not rooting for a rebuilt team. Instead, they are rooting for an entire team to tank so that we can draft just one guy, and a guy at a position with high bust potential no less.

There are ways to acquire a franchise QB other than the draft. You need not look beyond our division (Eagles and Cowboys) to see this. So to root for your team to lose because that is the only way to get a franchise QB is traitorous lunacy IMO.
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What is 7 or 8 wins going to accomplish for a team that needs an overhaul? When it's all said and done we need a franchise QB, someone that when they walk on the field can make everyone around them better. I don't know who that person is, but he's obviously not on the roster.
They will accomplish winning...which is, after all, the point.

But if you want to root for the Redskins to lose just like Cowboys fans do, go ahead. Just change your screen name to Cowboysfan69 please.
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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[quote=Longtimefan;800154]I understand what you're saying and there are a lot of people who agree with you. What I see happening here is that Shanahan probably feels that in the short term he has enough in Beck and Grossman [if he's resigned] that he wouldn't feel pressed to draft an unworthy QB just because there's a need when we have so many needs in other places.

I trust in his statement that he has a plan, we don't know what that plan is, whether in the end it will include a cobination of Beck - Grossman or neither is to be determined.

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I don't care what the guy did in college [Unquote] I say that about every player at every position that leaves the collegiate ranks and enters the NFL.

John Beck is a smokescreen. Putting him in as starter would be like if Zorn gave Chase Daniel the start, even worse in my book. Not grabbing even Mallet when he went so frigging low should be an indication of an impending FA QB acquisition. We have both McNabb and AH to unload on someone. At this point I say Palmer is on our radar screen, maybe Alex Smith and Vince Young also..
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I love all of the armchair experts who have already written the eulogy on Beck's QB career. So I guess if A team (or more than one team) gives up on you or trades you then clearly you have no ability to start as a QB in the NFL, right?

I guess Drew Brees, Mike Vick, Kerry Collins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Shaun Hill-all of whom have either been traded, released or consciously not been brought back-aren't viable NFL QBs, right? Beck may not ever be on the level of even Fitzpatrick but if Shanahan, who has made chicken salad out of chicken sh*t QBs before in Griese & Plummer, believes he can be a productive QB in his system why in May am I throwing dirt on the grave?

This could all be a smokescreen for another QB (Young comes to mind but I don't think his work ethic matches Shanny's expectations) but in the absence of such then I'm willing to see what Beck brings before giving up on him. We know Grossman is a human turnover machine so why not give Beck a shot?

And for the 'lets hold out for Andrew Luck' folks, get a clue, unless we are planning to trade our 2013 draft to get in place for the 2012 overall #1 pick it's not gonna happen.
You make excellent points Paintrain. Over the years I've witnessed some of the best QB's the NFL has seen get bounced around only to find great success in a place that fit their talents.

I saw Johnny Unitas, unwanted in Pittsburgh HOF..Jim Plunkett traded out of NE Super Bowl in LA. Rich Gannon, journeyman, Minnesota, [twice] Redskins, Super Bowl in La. Brad Johnson traded out of Minnesota to Redskins, on to Tampa Bay, Super Bowl. The list is so long it's impossible to begin to name them all. All to often some people are quick to write off players [especially QB's] when they don't have success early in their careers. Unless you're one of the exceptional ones the position can take years to master.
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Old 05-01-2011, 04:00 PM   #89
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Best College Quarterbacks That Will Be Selected in Next Year's 2012 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report

Here is next years quarterbacks. Some solid talent. I like Kellen Moore.
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You make excellent points Paintrain. Over the years I've witnessed some of the best QB's the NFL has seen get bounced around only to find great success in a place that fit their talents.

I saw Johnny Unitas, unwanted in Pittsburgh HOF..Jim Plunkett traded out of NE Super Bowl in LA. Rich Gannon, journeyman, Minnesota, [twice] Redskins, Super Bowl in La. Brad Johnson traded out of Minnesota to Redskins, on to Tampa Bay, Super Bowl. The list is so long it's impossible to begin to name them all. All to often some people are quick to write off players [especially QB's] when they don't have success early in their careers. Unless you're one of the exceptional ones the position can take years to master.
But you're talking about guys who already showed they could be successful in the NFL, or a guy like Johnny Unitas who got his 2nd chance like a year into his career.

I hope that Beck is the next Trent Green. I just haven't personally seen it yet. I certainly hope that if he's our guy then I'm totally proven wrong.
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