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Old 05-08-2011, 11:27 AM   #76
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Redskins will select first overall in the 2012 NFL draft

We're not alone thinking this will be the case. This team doesn't appear to be competitve immediately.
Chad Reuter is an idiot.
Just based on our schedule alone I'd say he's an idiot.
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:45 PM   #77
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we could always hope that somehow the entire league is better and everyone's record is real close and we just have the worst of them all.....

Honestly though, this "lose out" stuff is getting annoying, and we arent even guaranteed to play the 2011 season yet. I can only imagine how annoying it's going to be once the season starts.
Seriously.

I can see it now, oh my god we're 0-1, might as well try to lose out now.

I'd be willing to bet the house that we don't finish with the #1 pick.
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Seriously.

I can see it now, oh my god we're 0-1, might as well try to lose out now.

I'd be willing to bet the house that we don't finish with the #1 pick.
This.
Luck is a pipe dream. For all of you effing idiots who want to tank the season for the sake of the first pick, Keep huffing glue.
Your heads are up your arses, your hearts are seriously misguided, and I'm sure your I.Q.'s are sub-70's.
So, instead of rooting for the Skins to lose this year, I encourage you to don the blue star, because you surely are no Redskins fan..
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Old 05-08-2011, 01:02 PM   #79
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Even if we do get the #1 pick and draft Luck:

a) He could have a career-ending injury early in his career.
b) He could be a bust. Stranger things have happened.
c) Someone chosen later may prove to be a better NFL QB. Stranger things have happened.

Thus rooting for us to tank the season so that we can draft Luck could be foolish in a practical sense.

This on top of the fact that it is traitorous to root for your team to lose.
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We can forget all of the 'lose enough to get Luck' stuff because it's moronic. There's no guarantees about him or that we'd get the #1 pick even. With the thread name, I'd double guarantee that it's nowhere near a Shanaplan to lose ANY games, definitely not tank a season to get a high draft pick. Anyone who suggests we LOSE games, especially in May, is a flat out embarrassing sorry excuse for a fan.
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Old 05-08-2011, 02:00 PM   #81
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Tanking in a sport as violent as football is immoral and unamercian.

Based on football karma alone the player acquired as a result of tank job must be bust.
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:05 PM   #82
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For all the Luck desirers out there remember this.....at this time last year all the analysts said that Locker would have been the #1 overall pick had he come out and had him as a lock for #1 in the 2011 draft.
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:31 PM   #83
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For all the Luck desirers out there remember this.....at this time last year all the analysts said that Locker would have been the #1 overall pick had he come out and had him as a lock for #1 in the 2011 draft.
Yeah, but Luck doesn't have to improve his accuracy. Locker was a raw talent number 1 projection. Luck is a number 1 overall talent with production to match. Unless he gets a Bowers like injury he will not drop, even Bradford stayed at number 1 overall with a destroyed shoulder. Scouts looked at Locker in 2009 the same way they looked at Vick 2001. "Well his numbers are average but my God the talent."

Trust me it's one thing to not want to tank a season to get a number 1 pick but to suggest Luck will drop or experience anything similar to that of Locker, well safe to say I feel like you're playing with fire.

Andrew Luck is quite possibly the best QB prospect in the history of the NFL. No one has ever been able to match up physical attributes, production, and intangibles like this kid. In the end the best we can hope for is that he gets drafted by an AFC team.

With that said, even if we do go into the season with a tank strategy I still believe that the Number 1 pick will be out of reach. The Redskins might suck a lot but year after year theres always no less then 3 teams that end up sucking more.

I challenge anyone to find a QB that was better then this coming into the NFL. Certainly the NFL has had its share of storied QB's but I still maintain that no one was this good going in.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:08 PM   #84
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Chad Reuter is an idiot.
Just based on our schedule alone I'd say he's an idiot.
well everyone is saying the skins because of our current QB situation
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well everyone is saying the skins because of our current QB situation
No one knows what our QB situation is.
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Old 05-08-2011, 06:21 PM   #86
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No fan wants the team to lose out just to have the first overall pick any year. The reality of the lockout and the the team's roster flux, points to a lack of cohesiveness. Whoever the starting QB will be next year isn't or hasn't been working out with the new WRs, maybe isn't even familiar with Shanahan's playbook. So how will this team be able to compete with teams who are relatively intact or building up from last year? This team is at the mercy of free agency and the lockout which, when resolved will be a scramble to plug holes too far into the offseason. That sounds like a recipie for disaster: overspending and/or getting less than desired FAs. Don't get me wrong, I hope we can make lemonade.
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Re: The Mike Shanaplan

here's some good film on Luck:
http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/i...c,91570.0.html

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Andrew Luck is quite possibly the best QB prospect in the history of the NFL. No one has ever been able to match up physical attributes, production, and intangibles like this kid. In the end the best we can hope for is that he gets drafted by an AFC team.
Do you really believe this?
You realize that production isn't that important a tool for evaluation?

You're a bit effusive but I think I know what people like about watching Luck (which I agree with): he looks like he's in command.

But, most good QBs look in command when they're the better team.(If you look at some of Mallet and Stanzi and even Tolzein's (sp?) games they had similar schematic advantages and also show similar command.

Its not easy from a personnel stand point to run a rhythm based passing offense without a good pass protecting OL a good running game and good WRs.

Its the combination of coaching + scheme + talent.

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I challenge anyone to find a QB that was better then this coming into the NFL. Certainly the NFL has had its share of storied QB's but I still maintain that no one was this good going in.
I'm not even going to touch that because you're already entrenched in your position.

So, I'll share my opinion of Luck instead.

Luck is a top tier prospect: a very efficient, productive QB with above average athleticism and some playmaking ability, good but not elite arm strength, above average accuracy, average release/throwing motion.

While he lacks the elite arm strength, athleticism and quick release of some of last years QBs he more then closes the gap in polish and pro-readiness.

Luck has the benefit of playing behind one of the best OL in the country and consequenly he's rarely sacked and what's more he's rarely ever hit sometimes he's not even touched.

Also, going beyond the OL he had a power running game.

Luck also has the schemetaic advantage because of elite NFL level coaching on offense and specifically at the QB position which makes him a very pro-ready plug and play QB. *(Harbaugh's previous pupil, Josh Johnson, also put up huge numbers (better then Luck))

So for me there is a question mark about how he responds to pressure and getting hit because the NFL isn't pitch and catch and in the beginning of the Tech game when Beamer's boys were getting after him ealry in the bowl game he was flustered.

Questions:how will he respond to pressure/duress, not really a question per se but his throwing motion is a little quircky though throws the ball just fine

For me I guess the main questions I have about Luck stem from separating him from his production; meaning how much of the production is because of him and how much is because of the team.
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To start with believe it or not best QB prospect of all time really isn't that hard of a feat, so sorry for overselling that label. Of the 19 QB's drafted first overall I could only find 1 that was virtually flawless and thats Peyton Manning. Elway was close but he obviously had the whole "don't draft me Baltimore or I'll play baseball" problem. Eli was also another highly rated guy coming in but he didn't have the same level of production of his older brother.
Book of Odds - The NFL Draft: QB or Not QB

The rest either had character concerns, simple offenses, average competition, or average production. Maybe thats the last remaining knock on Luck. The fact that he only has two years as a starter under his belt. However he has taken his game to a level that I have never seen or heard of for that matter.

Simply put Luck is both fooball and book smart. His arm is very good and capable of making every throw. His funky release is actually quick and allows him to get rid of the ball. He is capable of breaking 50 yard runs as well as buying time in the pocket. He is tall enough to see over his lineman, heavy enough to take a beating. And above all he's throwing for 30+ TD's with 70% in the second best conference in the country. Even with a great line you don't see QB's throwing the ball down field in a pro style offense and still finishing with a completion percentage above 70%. That is unreal.



By the way, while I do agree that Luck had a quality O-Line it still doesn't change the fact that the 3 seniors on that line in this years draft went undrafted. Remember he's still playing at Stanford, a school whose bending of the rules for scholarship athletes are still ridiculously high compared to most other major football programs.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:20 AM   #89
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Chad Reuter is an idiot.
Just based on our schedule alone I'd say he's an idiot.
Although right now it is a bit idiotic to make any prediction given that free agency has not happened (and we're not even sure if football is going to work), we are going to be a young team that is still in transition and may perform as such.

After the draft, we have young players filling areas of need (RBs, WRs, DE, and OLB) and there are still some areas that are up in the air (QB, NT, and interior o-line). In the NFL anything can happen and while the team can perform well, especially given their schedule, their needs and youth in some areas may very well likely affect their performance next season.
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To start with believe it or not best QB prospect of all time really isn't that hard of a feat, so sorry for overselling that label. Of the 19 QB's drafted first overall I could only find 1 that was virtually flawless and thats Peyton Manning. Elway was close but he obviously had the whole "don't draft me Baltimore or I'll play baseball" problem. Eli was also another highly rated guy coming in but he didn't have the same level of production of his older brother.
Book of Odds - The NFL Draft: QB or Not QB

The rest either had character concerns, simple offenses, average competition, or average production. Maybe thats the last remaining knock on Luck. The fact that he only has two years as a starter under his belt. However he has taken his game to a level that I have never seen or heard of for that matter.

Simply put Luck is both fooball and book smart. His arm is very good and capable of making every throw. His funky release is actually quick and allows him to get rid of the ball. He is capable of breaking 50 yard runs as well as buying time in the pocket. He is tall enough to see over his lineman, heavy enough to take a beating. And above all he's throwing for 30+ TD's with 70% in the second best conference in the country. Even with a great line you don't see QB's throwing the ball down field in a pro style offense and still finishing with a completion percentage above 70%. That is unreal.

By the way, while I do agree that Luck had a quality O-Line it still doesn't change the fact that the 3 seniors on that line in this years draft went undrafted. Remember he's still playing at Stanford, a school whose bending of the rules for scholarship athletes are still ridiculously high compared to most other major football programs.
Dirt, do you think that an injury-free Bradford could've been close to that "nearly flawless" level?
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