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Old 05-09-2011, 05:39 PM   #91
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The Skins won't tank the season.
The Skins will be mid to late 1st round like this year.
The Skins will not have enough to reach for Luck.

Besides, everyone here is talking about reaching for him and have not stopped to think other teams might be doing the same thing in next yrs draft. On top of that you don't think his old college coach, the new HC of the 49ers won't make a run for him next yr also. Thats his boy. I'm betting he didn't come out this year because he's hoping the 49ers will be in a better position to get him next yr.

Then there is the fact he will have a new HC at his college and probably new scheme. Luck might not have a good season this year putting him low in the draft order. Like what happened to Jake Locker who was supposed to come out the year before and be the #1 guy. If that happens then we might get Luck...y. lol.

Lets just not throw all our eggs in for one said QB. Heck next yr there might be a QB better then Luck and we might want him instead.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:14 PM   #92
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The Skins won't tank the season.
The Skins will be mid to late 1st round like this year.
The Skins will not have enough to reach for Luck.

Maybe a little earlier but not much. As I've said before we had Vinny picking players and Jim "run left" Zorn as our head coach. Despite the odds stacked against us we could only get as high as 4. Also you look at Spurrier in 2003, with an even worse version of Vinny picking players and that only got us the 5th pick.

Gibbs 2.0 at his worse got us only as high as 9. Shanahan had a similar first year and only got us as high as 10.

Unless we bring in a GM and coach who are both completely over their head I doubt we would be able to get an original pick higher then 9. Say what you want about the Redskins as Super Bowl contenders down the line, but the one thing Snyder run Redskins are not is candidates to receive the top pick in a draft.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:05 PM   #93
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To start with believe it or not best QB prospect of all time really isn't that hard of a feat, so sorry for overselling that label. Of the 19 QB's drafted first overall I could only find 1 that was virtually flawless and thats Peyton Manning. Elway was close but he obviously had the whole "don't draft me Baltimore or I'll play baseball" problem. Eli was also another highly rated guy coming in but he didn't have the same level of production of his older brother.
You're operating with the benefit of hindsight.
For every so called 'flawless' prospect there is the evil twin Leaf and now it easy to say that Manning was the better prospect but lets not kid ourselves they were basically a coin flip.

Btw-Elway was a better prospect then Manning, Elway, in fact, is actually considered one of the best QB prospects ever.

However he has taken his game to a level that I have never seen or heard of for that matter.
Then imo you simply haven't been looking.
I know you don't agree but Locker is very good prospect himself, he has a better arm, he's more athletic, more of a playmaker and has a cleaner throwing motion.

And imo the main difference is that Locker chose to go to one of the worst DI programs in the nation devoid of many NFL prospects other then Locker. Luck plays/played for one of the best coaching staffs in college football on team filled with pro-talent and a great OL(NFL talents).

Even with a great line you don't see QB's throwing the ball down field in a pro style offense and still finishing with a completion percentage above 70%. That is unreal.
Scott Tolzien Wisconsin 72.9 comp% with a higher ypa.
Greg McElroy 70.9 comp % also had a higher ypa then Luck.

Like I was saying in my last post scheme and overall team talent matters.
Power running games with a great OL are conducive to a well protected QB, a well protected QB that can play action off a power running game is gonna have a high comp %.

Tolzien and McElroy illistrate that production is not a main factor in QB evaluation for the NFL. (Tolzien undrafted, McElroy late round draft pick)

By the way, while I do agree that Luck had a quality O-Line it still doesn't change the fact that the 3 seniors on that line in this years draft went undrafted.
C'mon we're beyond this type of discussion right?
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Old 05-10-2011, 09:43 AM   #94
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This team is such a mystery at this point w/an unsettled QB situation, 12 new draft picks that all have a good chance to make the 53, and FA hasn't even started. I can understand why some media people see the team regressing this year.

Regardless of where we draft (if there is a draft in 12) I see Allen & co. making a run for one of the top QBs, including Luck. We'll have all draft picks next year + Oakland's 4th. Again, assuming there is a draft. I wouldn't rule out any moves. The new regime has shown that it can make deals that benefit the team. The McNabb trade hasn't gone well thus far, but all other deals that Allen has made have brought good value to the team.
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