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Old 05-19-2011, 12:08 PM   #61
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:11 PM   #62
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
I think thats a really good point. But i dont think there are many 30 year FA cornors that arnt gonna do the same.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:15 PM   #63
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Not only can he not catch a ball he is also a dumb ass. I'm not sure what his contract was but he had to make over two mill the past for years and he is broke. F*&^ him and his butter fingers. Thats what we need to call him from now on "BUTTER FINGERS" or just "DUMB ASS".


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Old 05-19-2011, 12:27 PM   #64
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I don't dislike Kevin Barnes as an option, but as an every down starting CB I don't feel very comfortable going into the season with him opposite D Hall. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I think it's a major downgrade. I like Barnes in the nickle right now.
I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.

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You talk about targets which is a clever way of avoiding the question. I'm asking when 'Los was beat where it was a big play costing the skins the game. Targets are one thing, but big completions are another. Most of the completions on Carlos are short and stopped quickly.
Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game

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If he wants top CB money, then I understand letting him walk. I think his market price is much higher than fans here seem to think. I think he's a 15-20CB in my eyes. I understand if we let him go because of financial reasons, but I think we underestimate what he brings to the table.
And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
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Rogers has EVERY RIGHT to be bitter. Hall is GARBAGE as a cover corner and he tackles like a soft lil' bitch. I don't think either of them are going to Canton, but game in, game out, I want the guy that can cover and tackle. Think about it, Rogers has seen numerous free agents get paid here and a lot of them end up playing like crap. Yet the front office never seems to reward their own that have proven themselves. I hope those days are over. But Bruce Allen had a chance to give Rogers a raise and low balled him. Not right IMO.
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I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
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I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.



Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game



And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent
yeah, just looked his age up - born 7/2/81. The fact that any FA deal he signs will be closer to or after his b-day & the dreaded 3-0 really is bad timing for him.

On the other hand, he & his agent are aware of the market for cb's. I wouldn't be surprised if he can get 20% more elsewhere.
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Old 05-19-2011, 01:40 PM   #69
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Twice a year? Sure...lets do it, jerk.

Grossman will light him up. Hankerson will look like a giant against him...throw it up towards Carlos every play, he's not going to catch the ball.

Sorry, you don't imply you want to be on the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants while you're still a member of the Redskins...trader.
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I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.
Creating turnovers is just as vital of a role for a CB as coverage. Think of it this way, how many lost opportunities and probably games have Rogers' drops caused? In this league, you can't give opponents second chances. That's what Carlos does. The real problem is not that he drops interceptions, it's how he drops EASY interceptions that hit him in the hands, chest, facemask...a professional football player should not be doing this, that often.

It has become a liability that really detracts from his decent coverage skills.



If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.
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If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.
...never mind that Hall gave up 1 TD already and the go ahead TD that could have won the game for the Cowboys. YET, you want to blame that blunder on "costing" the game. This is the exact shit I'm talking about. It's sad they key this as the blunder to cost the game, but give Hall a pass because he picked up a lucky bounce on a fumble for a TD, but still gave up TWO touchdowns (1 called back) in that game. Amazing.
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm
Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!

I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.

At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.
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...never mind that Hall gave up 1 TD already and the go ahead TD that could have won the game for the Cowboys. YET, you want to blame that blunder on "costing" the game. This is the exact shit I'm talking about. It's sad they key this as the blunder to cost the game, but give Hall a pass because he picked up a lucky bounce on a fumble for a TD, but still gave up TWO touchdowns (1 called back) in that game. Amazing.
Really? Lucky bounce? He FORCED THE DAMN FUMBLE and then he picked it up and scored.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.
Which is why I said it all depends on what Rogers roll was in each of the defenses; GW, Blache, and Haslett. It's easy to say his job is to cover first, thats what all CB are supposed to do. They are supposed to cover the WR. But I think it all depends on whether they are playing zone or man-to-man, or if his job is to rush the QB. I don't need to explain it but man-to-man is easy... he's to cover the WR. In zone he's supposed to watch and area and at some point from the LOS he has to release the WR to the safety. Sometimes I think Rogers released too soon and the safety was not in a position to take over the responsibility which led to a TD or 1st down. In man-to-man he bites hard on the first move sometimes. Which is why teams quickly figured out that if their WR did a stop and go they had a better chance of making the play.
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