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Old 05-19-2011, 11:32 AM   #61
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I think Rogers should go out and test the market. It also depends on the need. Say there are two teams out there who need a good CB. Good I say. Then Rogers might get them in a bidding war for his services. On top of that it also depends on what players of equal stats are getting in his position.

Do I have a problem with Rogers? no. I look at it this way if you have a CB on one side who is a bit more of a risk taker and will try and jump the pass for an interception then you need another CB on the other side who is not a risk taker and plays the game safe. Because the FS will most likely need to roll towards the side with the risk taking CB to back him up in case he misses the interception. Otherwise you need to keep both Safeties back to help out the CB's if you have two risk takers.

The two glaring problems with Rogers is he fails to make interceptions (big whoop) and he is known to bite on the first move. Rogers has had his share of WR's faking him out and getting yards. So though he's not bad, I wouldn't label him top 10. Matter of fact going to NFL.com and looking up players by position stats you might be supprised to see that 4 other Washington players rank before Rogers for 2010. Hall at #4, Doughty at #5, Landry at #16, and K.Moore at #40. The have Rogers ranked #54.

Looking back Rogers rank for each yr:

2010- #54
2009- #76
2008- #48
2007- #93
2006- #20
2005- #58

These numbers however are not just CB's. It includes Safeties as well. Also I think part of the reason for the flux is because he might have been injured or was used differently. I don't mean to say he was used in a different position, I mean what he was asked to do in the GW, Blache, or Haslett's defense might be slightly different. In any event I see him as a middle of the road CB.

I could be wrong though... Bleacherreport has him listed #10.
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10. Carlos Rogers (WAS)

Carlos Rogers has the attitude and ability to become a top corner in the league consistently. Rogers is a hard working talent who can read plays extremely well.

His ability to break is often over-looked and his hitting comes and goes. He is so reliable to have however, because he is a corner that will always make a play on the ball.

He has some of the best man-to-man coverage skills, but I haven't really been impressed with his zone coverage.

Rogers' awareness and ability to break on most balls makes him such a dangerous defender, but he does give up big plays from time to time (usually not touchdowns, however).
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Old 05-19-2011, 11:42 AM   #62
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I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.
I completely agree too. I would go as far as to say he would be a top 5 corner if he made 8/10 or so of the interception oppertunies hes had over the last 2 years.
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Old 05-19-2011, 11:44 AM   #63
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Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk

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Rogers elaborated via text message to Chris Russell of ESPN 980. I wasnt the corner that gave up the most TDs or yards or first downs, Rogers said, but Im the corner that is looked at [as] the 2nd corner, [that] I need to be replaced.
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Old 05-19-2011, 11:47 AM   #64
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I guess Rogers is yet another player who really doesn't get it. No one is trying to replace him. He can stay all he wants. But I'm betting he's going to ask for a mint and he's not worth it. Now if he's willing to sign another contract about the range of what he's making now then fine, but as other have said he's thinking payday and I'm guessing he might get a little humbled in the end. But that depends on the need at CB by other teams.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:02 PM   #65
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I completely agree too. I would go as far as to say he would be a top 5 corner if he made 8/10 or so of the interception oppertunies hes had over the last 2 years.
But he doesn't, so he's not
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:03 PM   #66
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So though he's not bad, I wouldn't label him top 10. Matter of fact going to NFL.com and looking up players by position stats you might be supprised to see that 4 other Washington players rank before Rogers for 2010. Hall at #4, Doughty at #5, Landry at #16, and K.Moore at #40. The have Rogers ranked #54.

Looking back Rogers rank for each yr:

2010- #54
2009- #76
2008- #48
2007- #93
2006- #20
2005- #58
What stats are you using? D. Hall has never been a top ranked CB, in fact, he's been one of the worst ranked CBs in the NFL for many years now. I've shown those numbers repeatedly. The numbers I showed actually had Carlos (in one of the years) ranked really high in terms of his position. We aren't talking about "Hype" rankings here, we are talking about actual productivity. Or in the case of CBs, the lack of production (against you) is the key.
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
I think thats a really good point. But i dont think there are many 30 year FA cornors that arnt gonna do the same.
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Not only can he not catch a ball he is also a dumb ass. I'm not sure what his contract was but he had to make over two mill the past for years and he is broke. F*&^ him and his butter fingers. Thats what we need to call him from now on "BUTTER FINGERS" or just "DUMB ASS".


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I don't dislike Kevin Barnes as an option, but as an every down starting CB I don't feel very comfortable going into the season with him opposite D Hall. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I think it's a major downgrade. I like Barnes in the nickle right now.
I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.

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You talk about targets which is a clever way of avoiding the question. I'm asking when 'Los was beat where it was a big play costing the skins the game. Targets are one thing, but big completions are another. Most of the completions on Carlos are short and stopped quickly.
Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game

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If he wants top CB money, then I understand letting him walk. I think his market price is much higher than fans here seem to think. I think he's a 15-20CB in my eyes. I understand if we let him go because of financial reasons, but I think we underestimate what he brings to the table.
And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent
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Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
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Rogers has EVERY RIGHT to be bitter. Hall is GARBAGE as a cover corner and he tackles like a soft lil' bitch. I don't think either of them are going to Canton, but game in, game out, I want the guy that can cover and tackle. Think about it, Rogers has seen numerous free agents get paid here and a lot of them end up playing like crap. Yet the front office never seems to reward their own that have proven themselves. I hope those days are over. But Bruce Allen had a chance to give Rogers a raise and low balled him. Not right IMO.
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I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
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I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.



Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game



And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent
yeah, just looked his age up - born 7/2/81. The fact that any FA deal he signs will be closer to or after his b-day & the dreaded 3-0 really is bad timing for him.

On the other hand, he & his agent are aware of the market for cb's. I wouldn't be surprised if he can get 20% more elsewhere.
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Old 05-19-2011, 01:40 PM   #75
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Twice a year? Sure...lets do it, jerk.

Grossman will light him up. Hankerson will look like a giant against him...throw it up towards Carlos every play, he's not going to catch the ball.

Sorry, you don't imply you want to be on the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants while you're still a member of the Redskins...trader.
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