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Old 05-24-2011, 10:50 AM   #31
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I disagree w/those that say there's "nothing to lose" if he's signed to a cheap deal (at least nobody has said vet min! ). There is always something to lose, as roster spots are few. When taking on a vet w/a history of problems, the risk of that player affecting the whole team has to be taken into account.

Especially at the qb position. This team already has gone through some growing pains & reported locker room division w/the benching of McNabb. Can Shanahan afford another vet qb experiment? If it goes wrong he could lose the whole team. If this team was well established & Shanny had been here a few years it would be different. At this time, the team may be too fragile to deal w/VY. HOw would VY react to a qb controversy if he thought he deserved to start but shanny went w/Beck or Rex?
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:55 AM   #32
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This writer brings up the main reason I don't see VY here, Fischer and Shanahan are friends and if Fischer was a hard nose HC with an ego and couldn't get VY to do his job why does everyone think Fischer will endorse VY to Shanahan? On top of that Shanahan is also a hard nosed HC with an ego. If it didn't work out for Fischer why would it work out for Shanahan?

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Why anyone would want to bring VY here with all his issues and lack of respect for the coach's or teamates simply because he is cheap baffles me.
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Bringing in a cheap player who has baggage is better than overpaying for one. Baby steps folks.
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:01 AM   #34
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We shouldn't have even put ourselves in a position to go after Young, but we have-in my opinion-by choosing to ignore the QB position in the past two drafts.

I have total respect for Jim Wyatt and what he's saying, but I believe more than anything what VY needs is a change of scenery. Whether that should be here, I'm not sure. But I'd rather take a chance with him than let another year go by without a QB to build this team around. Still not convinced it's Beck. Hope I'm wrong if he's the guy we choose, but I still don't see it
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We shouldn't have even put ourselves in a position to go after Young, but we have-in my opinion-by choosing to ignore the QB position in the past two drafts.

I have total respect for Jim Wyatt and what he's saying, but I believe more than anything what VY needs is a change of scenery. Whether that should be here, I'm not sure. But I'd rather take a chance with him than let another year go by without a QB to build this team around. Still not convinced it's Beck. Hope I'm wrong if he's the guy we choose, but I still don't see it
Good point. I have to think that either the qb's they liked weren't there at the value they'd hope to get in the draft and/or they feel there are options at qb for the present through free agency & the current roster (incl. Rex). i.e. Shanny & co. certainly must have a plan at qb. I wouldn't put it past him to think that he can make Young into the player he should be. But at the same time, I don't think Shanny can afford to be wrong about VY given what happened w/McNabb. I'm thinking that he's not that interested in him.
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:18 AM   #36
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I think the interest is there, I put the likelihood of him being here though at less than 50% (maybe like 40%)

Especially as the lockout continues
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I think the interest is there, I put the likelihood of him being here though at less than 50% (maybe like 40%)

Especially as the lockout continues
Yeah, that affects all free agents of course, but for a qb much more so.
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We shouldn't have even put ourselves in a position to go after Young, but we have-in my opinion-by choosing to ignore the QB position in the past two drafts.

I have total respect for Jim Wyatt and what he's saying, but I believe more than anything what VY needs is a change of scenery. Whether that should be here, I'm not sure. But I'd rather take a chance with him than let another year go by without a QB to build this team around. Still not convinced it's Beck. Hope I'm wrong if he's the guy we choose, but I still don't see it
Without a doubt you've taken into consideration how catastrophic it would be for this organization [after the debacle of the McNabb experiment] to bring in yet another veteran QB that we know going in has the potential to become a disaster.

So, maybe the real question becomes...do we really want VY/or we don't want Beck or Grossman?
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Bringing in a cheap player who has baggage is better than overpaying for one. Baby steps folks.
Baby steps were taken when the team didn't throw away draft picks for vets. Unfortunatly we can't say that was by design. Thankfully the Lockout handicapped that.
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Without a doubt you've taken into consideration how catastrophic it would be for this organization [after the debacle of the McNabb experiment] to bring in yet another veteran QB that we know going in has the potential to become a disaster.

So, maybe the real question becomes...do we really want VY/or we don't want Beck or Grossman?
I think bringing in McNabb was a huge catastrophe. It cost us what could have been a valuable 2nd rounder last year (we could've had a QB or a NT with that pick). This is pretty big for a rebuilding team.

I don't think it will be the same if a QB doesn't workout this year. It will still be a setback, but at least the likes of VY or Grossman won't cost us picks.
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We shouldn't have even put ourselves in a position to go after Young, but we have-in my opinion-by choosing to ignore the QB position in the past two drafts.

I have total respect for Jim Wyatt and what he's saying, but I believe more than anything what VY needs is a change of scenery. Whether that should be here, I'm not sure. But I'd rather take a chance with him than let another year go by without a QB to build this team around. Still not convinced it's Beck. Hope I'm wrong if he's the guy we choose, but I still don't see it
Totally agree but I don't think it should be with the Skins. Clearly he has wore out his welcome with the Titans, whether it was Fischer or VY or both not getting along. The reasons I don't see him as a Skin....

His immaturity; sure people can change but the individual has to want to change. In my opinion VY does not see himself as the problem he see's everyone else as the problem for which he finds him self in. Changing the scenery will not fix this issue. All it will do is recreate itself and maybe VY realizes after he's screwed up an opportunity here that maybe he needs to change.

The coaching staff; People thought Fischer had an ego and couldn't get along with VY. So how do the Skins fans think VY is going to get along with MS? Look what MS did with Haynesworth, look what MS did with McNabb. No way MS tolerates VY throwing a temper tantrum because he's not the #1 QB or because the fans are booing him, or if he gets hurt yet again and the coach's are trying to protect him.

My problem is people can change but usually there is an altering experience, ie; Vick going to court and doing jail time, Buress going to court and doing jail time, T.O. and R.Moss being on several different teams has to be humbling. Things like this. Simply having to sit 4-6 games and being told the team is going to either trade you or cut you does not amount to an altering experience.
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I think bringing in McNabb was a huge catastrophe. It cost us what could have been a valuable 2nd rounder last year (we could've had a QB or a NT with that pick). This is pretty big for a rebuilding team.

I don't think it will be the same if a QB doesn't workout this year. It will still be a setback, but at least the likes of VY or Grossman won't cost us picks.
I don't think bringing him was a catastrophe. Making it a one year experiment is. I don't think we have a choice but to let him go, but it's unfortunate nonetheless
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I think what would make VY work with Shanny vs. Fisher would be that he would know Shanahan wanted him here, as opposed to Tennessee where he know Fisher didn't want him there
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The coaching staff; People thought Fischer had an ego and couldn't get along with VY. So how do the Skins fans think VY is going to get along with MS? Look what MS did with Haynesworth, look what MS did with McNabb. No way MS tolerates VY throwing a temper tantrum because he's not the #1 QB or because the fans are booing him, or if he gets hurt yet again and the coach's are trying to protect him.
I see your point here, but both McNabb and Haynesworth (although AH wasn't brought by MS/Allen) were brought to the team as franchise players. Whereas, I would imagine that if Young were brought to the team, it would be for a moderate low-risk contract with the idea that he would have to compete for the job.

I think the people that are hell bent against VY talk like he is going to be given a high paying contract with a ton of guaranteed money and he'll be the anointed starter. If this was the case, I'd be screaming murder as well. But as I said, I don't see anything wrong with bringing him in to compete.
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I think the interest is there, I put the likelihood of him being here though at less than 50% (maybe like 40%)

Especially as the lockout continues
Honestly thats my last complaint. No matter if we had picked a QB in the draft or look for a FA, they will have to learn the offense. Although McNabb didn't do too bad he still had some issue's with it and got benched. So whoever we bring in will take time to learn all the ins and outs of this offensive scheme. Fortunately or unfortunately Grossman and Beck will have the best understanding of the scheme over anyone we bring in. Heck even McNabb will have a better understanding of the scheme after being in it another offseason, but thats a whole nother story.

I'm not advocating keeping McNabb, heck I didn't think he would be a good fit to begin with, but if I had my drothers I'd keep McNabb and skip VY.

The only reason I can see to bring someone else in is if they are going to be 10x better then what we already have and I'm not so sure VY is that QB. Grossman will know the system better and with a better OL should cut down on the interceptions. Beck has been in the system a full year now and will have a better understanding of the system then VY. So the only reason to bring in VY is if he is our future franchise QB. and that is where I don't see VY heading.

Do they need another QB? yes. Another vet? no. Bring in another young QB to see what they offer and keep the vets we already have in Grossman and Beck. Besides, wasn't Beck the QB MS was looking to draft but Miami beat him to pulling the trigger? So Beck must be the right guy right? Next year draft a top ranked QB and groom him. Then the OL and WR's will be on much better a page.
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