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Old 06-03-2011, 12:04 PM   #46
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Just bustin your chops. But seriously, what are you doing on a Cowboys forum!


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Honestly, as football comments go, they tend to get WAAAYYY overboard on how great they are etc, but they have several lawyers who have gone back and forth on this lockout/lawsuit, and it has really been interesting conversations, especially given the minimal amount of football related stuff going on.


anyone else think if they put the court hearing today on as an hour special, it would get good ratings? sounds like some real banter going on.
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:17 PM   #47
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I liked what Robert Kraft said in regard to lawyers being deal breakers rather than deal makers. Sums up my feelings too and I wouldn't tune in if the hearing today was televised.
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@adbrandt Olson getting peppered about collapse of bargaining leading to decertification. "sufficiently distant in time" key phrase for Judges.
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@adbrandt Olson: "Period of protection from labor laws is over!" Not sure two judges agree.
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@adbrandt Olson brings up the TV case before Doty, word "unconscionable" thrown in.
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@adbrandt Olson in last few minutes hammering home point of union being entitled to decertify. The union is dead. Antitrust law should apply.
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@adbrandt Clement up for rebuttal. Back to issue of length of labor exemption to 6 mths minimum.
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@adbrandt Clement harping on multiple mentions in N-L Act of "labor dispute." it protects employers as it does employees.
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@adbrandt Citing major cases that lockouts covered by N-L Act. Amenable to a hearing to see if decertification was valid.
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@adbrandt Concluding remarks [I think Brandt means the Court's concluding remarks - not sure] : render decision in "due course." won't be hurt if they "settle the case" good comment!!
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@adbrandt Judge Bye concludes that parties should negotiate as a ruling will be something neither side will like. Hope it spurs more directed talks.
Interesting final comment by Judge Bye.
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I think the final comment sums up why both sides have started settlement talks. The writing is on the wall, get a deal done now.
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I liked what Robert Kraft said in regard to lawyers being deal breakers rather than deal makers. Sums up my feelings too and I wouldn't tune in if the hearing today was televised.
I dunno. I know that is a perception but the best lawyers I have worked with are tough litagators who "know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em". Not all attorneys negotiate through the media and speak in hyperbole - only the bad ones. A good attorney knows how accurately assesses the cost/benefits so that a reasonable client can intelligently decide the best course to pursue.

As to the Court hearing, I would have loved to have seen it. Appellant arguments are the two minute drills of law. If your written brief hasn't persuaded the court, it's hard to win your case based on the oral arguments, but it's easy to lose it. Given the caliber of judges (generally) on the Federal bench, the type of questions being thrown out and the time constraints, you really need to be intellectually athletic to respond concisely, articulately and knowledeably - particularly when each side has some good law to back them up.
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Well the NFLPA offered settlement as an option in the past, and the owners rejected. Though I believe this a different sort of settlement
I thought the mediator requested both sides to make an offer prior to the 6th? The owners offered one in the last meeting and now the players have sent their offer.

One could look at it as if the players might have a feeling they might lose the fight due to their possibly illegal decertification. Which would lead them to maybe want to get as much done as possible prior to them losing any leverage.
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I dunno. I know that is a perception but the best lawyers I have worked with are tough litagators who "know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em". Not all attorneys negotiate through the media and speak in hyperbole - only the bad ones. A good attorney knows how accurately assesses the cost/benefits so that a reasonable client can intelligently decide the best course to pursue.

As to the Court hearing, I would have loved to have seen it. Appellant arguments are the two minute drills of law. If your written brief hasn't persuaded the court, it's hard to win your case based on the oral arguments, but it's easy to lose it. Given the caliber of judges (generally) on the Federal bench, the type of questions being thrown out and the time constraints, you really need to be intellectually athletic to respond concisely, articulately and knowledeably - particularly when each side has some good law to back them up.
Joe, what did you think of the NFL Lawyer bringing up the players enjoying the lockout in his last 5 minutes, especially with interested players in the audience. For me, it really came off as really bad form, bad to rile up the players as the last view the judges see, but maybe it didn't matter?
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Ha, six EASY payments of $53.99, plus $10 a month additional.

So what they're saying is that they're going to charge you the full season price even if only a half-season is played...just the billing will be "delayed".



I'll stick with streaming to my big screen for free.
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I was wondering how DTV was going to handle this. I wasn't keen on the idea of being charged for the season while the season was still up in the air.
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Ha, six EASY payments of $53.99, plus $10 a month additional.

So what they're saying is that they're going to charge you the full season price even if only a half-season is played...just the billing will be "delayed".



I'll stick with streaming to my big screen for free.
What a crock. NHL Center Ice and MLB Extra Innings is around $200 COMBINED with Comcast. Thats over 3,500 games. Like 9 cents a game. And if I only watch the Caps lets say it gives me 50 games that I wouldn't get otherwise. Thats $4 a game. Or lets say I get 130 extra Orioles or Nats games then it goes down to $1.50 a game. And the craziest thing is I might be overestimating the $200 price tag as I suspect it's actually around $160 for both.

NFL Sunday Ticket around 176 games (256 minus 32 Prime Time, 48 Sunday Games a year, minus 8 NFL Network Thursday Night Games). $1.80 a game. Or if you follow the Redskins and thats the only team you watch then lets say you don't get them on TV when you're out of market for 12 games a year. So that works out to around $27 a game.

What a rip off. No wonder they have $9 billion to fight over. People are being price gouged like theres no tomorrow. Oh and let us not forget that blackout rules apply.
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If you watch games all day on Sundays like I do, and are out of the DC market, I think the ticket is well worth the price.
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If you watch games all day on Sundays like I do, and are out of the DC market, I think the ticket is well worth the price.


Comcast dropped NFL network on their basic package a few weeks ago .
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Comcast dropped NFL network on their basic package a few weeks ago .
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