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Old 06-06-2011, 08:48 AM   #1
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Question about 2000-2001 QB Situation here

I was thinking about Donovan McNabb over the weekend, particularly how we got him through trade, and all the hoopla that went with him, fan expectations, etc, and i remember thinking that i might have been one of the few people here who knew that McNabb was shot and was only gonna fail here in the burgandy and gold.

Was Jeff George in 2000/2001 the only other high profile QB that we went after since Snyder has owned the team? George was a big name, he had some success, etc, and it seemed like he could be the QB answer for a few seasons. I read articles about when he was signed back then and it seemed like him and the McNabb situation was almost the same.

Is there anyone on the board who remembers Jeff George's time here? Was the fans excited? Did he bring hope to the team like McNabb did? What was it like with George. From what i could read, it seemed like George played pretty good for us in 2000, but when we got a new coach/offense, he couldn't adapt and really struggled. Again he reminded me of McNabb there.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:52 AM   #2
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Jeff George was a desperation move for us.
I was downright embarrassed that we signed him.
I'm still embarrassed.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:00 AM   #3
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Jeff George...hahahaha

They should make a video of all the dumbasses we've brought in over the years.
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Brad Johnson was coming off a Pro Bowl season in '99 and was due a contract extension.

Instead, Danny brings in George which was a clear slap in the face to BJ, and rumors were he strongly suggested behind the scenes that he wanted JG to start over BJ. Norv being the pushover he was really had no choice.

A year later Johnson was outta here, and Marty quickly disposed of George after a disastrous 37-0 drubbing to the Packers in week 2 in 2001.
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I don't remember much about the George situation, but I don't think it is much of a comparison with the McNabb situation. It seems that George was a disaster, whereas the McNabb trade was just a stupid gamble that set our rebuilding back a year (and hopefully that'll be the only setback).
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And then we transitioned to Tony Banks right after George left.
Another embarrassing move.
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Yeah but Banks played better than JG and we managed to go 8-8, that's saying a lot about the coaching job Marty did that year.
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Brad Johnson was coming off a Pro Bowl season in '99 and was due a contract extension.

Instead, Danny brings in George which was a clear slap in the face to BJ, and rumors were he strongly suggested behind the scenes that he wanted JG to start over BJ. Norv being the pushover he was really had no choice.

A year later Johnson was outta here, and Marty quickly disposed of George after a disastrous 37-0 drubbing to the Packers in week 2 in 2001.
Don't forget that Johnson went straight to Tampa Bay and promptly won a Super Bowl. Granted that team was more defense than offense, but still.

McNabb and George don't really compare in my mind. George had never done anything meaningful when we brought him in, McNabb on the other hand has a bevy of accomplishments/solid stats as an NFL starter.

Everyone likes to talk about Brandon Llyod, Arch Deluxe, Deion, Bruce Smith, etc when they talk about Snyder's big failures. I think the combination of bringing in George while simultaneously turning a cold shoulder to Brad Johnson was possibly the little man's biggest personnel fail. Johnson wasn't going to be a franchise man for a decade, but he could have stuck around for 3-5 more years for us and been very solid. Better than anything else we've had at QB during Danny's tenure.
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Brad Johnson was coming off a Pro Bowl season in '99 and was due a contract extension.

Instead, Danny brings in George which was a clear slap in the face to BJ, and rumors were he strongly suggested behind the scenes that he wanted JG to start over BJ. Norv being the pushover he was really had no choice.

A year later Johnson was outta here, and Marty quickly disposed of George after a disastrous 37-0 drubbing to the Packers in week 2 in 2001.
I was so pissed about that. In Brad Johnson we finally had a capable QB. Instead we dissed him by bringing in Jay Shroeder part 2.
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Jeff George's signing actually was relatively low profile due to the fact that it was in Danny's infamous 2000 fantasy football draft. So many old, big name guys were signed that George's signing wasn't publicly that big a deal as I recall. I thought he was a high priced backup till I learned that Danny supposedly sought Sonny Jurgenson's advice & the latter suggested George would be a better qb than Johnson.

George may have been the straw that broke the camel's back & led us to an 8-8 year w/a huge payroll. What if he was never signed & Johnson was given confidence as starter? Maybe that 2000 season would've lived up to the hype.
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Don't forget that Johnson went straight to Tampa Bay and promptly won a Super Bowl. Granted that team was more defense than offense, but still.

McNabb and George don't really compare in my mind. George had never done anything meaningful when we brought him in, McNabb on the other hand has a bevy of accomplishments/solid stats as an NFL starter.

Everyone likes to talk about Brandon Llyod, Arch Deluxe, Deion, Bruce Smith, etc when they talk about Snyder's big failures. I think the combination of bringing in George while simultaneously turning a cold shoulder to Brad Johnson was possibly the little man's biggest personnel fail. Johnson wasn't going to be a franchise man for a decade, but he could have stuck around for 3-5 more years for us and been very solid. Better than anything else we've had at QB during Danny's tenure.
Imagine if he stuck with Marty and Brad how much better we would have been.

We as fans look at those years from a win/loss prospective but I bet if you looked at those years and the buzz that was create with those teams from a dollar sign prospective they were winning seasons in Danny's eyes.
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Everyone likes to talk about Brandon Llyod, Arch Deluxe, Deion, Bruce Smith, etc when they talk about Snyder's big failures. I
I still think the Arch Deluxe was the biggest fail (behind Haynesworthless). To tell Clark you were done over paying players, and turn around and sign Archuletta to that mega contract was the icing on the cake. Clark wanted peanuts to resign with us. I agree with you that the George move was and has been a horrible move in our history.
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I was so pissed about that. In Brad Johnson we finally had a capable QB. Instead we dissed him by bringing in Jay Shroeder part 2.
I'm with you. I was a big Brad Johnson fan, hell the guy threw for 4,000 yards and 24 TDs in 1999, won the division and made the playoffs, and we reward him by bringing in a guy to take his job.

Only the Redskins could have messed up that situation.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:55 AM   #14
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This a big part of why Dan Snyder no longer wants to be part of the player personnel decision making.
Dan did not land any other big name QB's, but he tried. There were big rumors he tried to get Cutler. BUt chicago surprised everyone with the 2 first rounders and Orton. I am sure Danny was a close second in the bidding war.
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I still think the Arch Deluxe was the biggest fail (behind Haynesworthless). To tell Clark you were done over paying players, and turn around and sign Archuletta to that mega contract was the icing on the cake. Clark wanted peanuts to resign with us. I agree with you that the George move was and has been a horrible move in our history.
I think Archuleta is the biggest fail. I'm sure his contract doesn't compare to AH, but at least AH had good stats and was dominant in Tennessee before he came to Washington. Archuleta had his best years in '03 and '04; in 2005, his last year in St. Louis, he was good but not great. We let a really good Ryan Clark go, and he went on to have a very good career in Pittsburgh.
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