Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth

sportscurmudgeon · 06-15-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

Yeah the sports reporters were saying the eagles had offered us a 4th in last years draft. This is a sad, odd situation.

I agree with Ruhskins, time to just move on and I was one who wanted him to rot out on the bench for 2 more years.

Eff it, he burned us for about 20 extra mil. Time to cut the losses and just move on . . . . after we find a way of ensuring he doesnt go to the NFC east.

I seriously doubt that the Eagles ever offered the Redskins a 4th round pick for Haynesworth.

Ruhskins · 06-15-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Titans?

That's puzzling, b/c I thought the Bucs were interested in him too.

sportscurmudgeon · 06-15-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think there are two basic reasons why Haynesworth is still with the Redskins. (1) He was signed to a lengthy contract with a huge signing bonus and the team has seemed destined to get some production from him in exchange for their investment. Problem is, Albert has refused to cooperate in every way, utilizing his self centered demands to serve only as a distraction. (2) Driven by that determination to get "something" from Haynesworth they continued to put up with his antics and embarrassments hoping against hope that he would eventually come around. They were just as determined to not just let him walk and not get at least [what they feel] to be equal value in return. Convinced the guy has talent and can still play, they've been content to hold out for the best offer they could get in exchange. As a result, Haynesworth is still here because of the dilemma he presents. When teams are free to make transactions, I believe the conclusion has been reached that it's time to move on from "one" Albert Haynesworth.

Perhaps there is a third reason he is still here:

After showing up out of shape and not being cooperative with the coaches about how and when he would play, Shanahan (with Allen's blessing/concurrence) decided that they were not going to cut Haynesworth and allow him to go out on the open market and take down another 8-figure signing bonus. [Sadly, he would probably get one somewhere...] So they kept him last year hoping to trade him at the draft - - but trades of players were disallowed so that idea went up in smoke.

If my scenario is even close to correct, then Shanahan/Allen have to change their minds about giving Haynesworth the chance at another fat payday and stand by while that happens if they release him. OR they can try for a VERY late round pick in a trade. The problem here is that if my scenario is correct, that means that Shanahan/Allen have to look in the mirror and admit that Fat Albert beat them in this little stand-off. Ego bruises are lots worse than football bruises...

sportscurmudgeon · 06-15-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Titans?

What I heard was that the Titans made an offer of $78-80M with something like $25M guaranteed and then the Skins offer hit the table and the agent declared the auction over.

I was not in the room when it happened - - obviously - - but that is the Cliffs Notes version of the story I heard...

SmootSmack · 06-15-2011, 04:26 PM

Well the Giants and Bucs were also interested

Mattyk · 06-15-2011, 04:31 PM

The Bucs offered a ton of loot too didn't they?

Longtimefan · 06-15-2011, 04:51 PM

I think he was close to signing with the Bucs until Vinny convinced him he could do anything he wanted in the defense without consulting Greg Blache.

53Fan · 06-16-2011, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Bucs offered a ton of loot too didn't they?

That's what I remember. That and the Giants being interested.

skinster · 07-06-2011, 03:47 PM

I was looking at Haynesworth's contract on the warpath cap sheet, and supposedly Haynesworth's contract with the Redskins can be voided if he returns 16.8 mil of the signing bonus. Do you think that it is a possibility that the skins play chicken with Haynesworth? The Redskins want him gone, he wants to leave. We could keep him on our roster for this year unless he returns some money. I know Shannahan/Allen/Snyder are super pissed about last off-season when they gave him the option to be cut/traded to a place where he wants to be or he could take 30 million in bonuses and buy into what the redskins are doing. He took the money saying he would do what the redskins asked of him but then later went back on his word, demanded a trade, and refused to play for the redskins as they asked him. I am by no means predicting this to happen, but I do think its a possibility that Shannahan/Allen/Snyder might just be pissed enough at him to keep him on the roster where he will be miserable knowing he is not wanted by anyone in hopes that Haynesworth will cave in and return some of his bonuses.

Ruhskins · 07-06-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

I was looking at Haynesworth's contract on the warpath cap sheet, and supposedly Haynesworth's contract with the Redskins can be voided if he returns 16.8 mil of the signing bonus. Do you think that it is a possibility that the skins play chicken with Haynesworth? The Redskins want him gone, he wants to leave. We could keep him on our roster for this year unless he returns some money. I know Shannahan/Allen/Snyder are super pissed about last off-season when they gave him the option to be cut/traded to a place where he wants to be or he could take 30 million in bonuses and buy into what the redskins are doing. He took the money saying he would do what the redskins asked of him but then later went back on his word, demanded a trade, and refused to play for the redskins as they asked him. I am by no means predicting this to happen, but I do think its a possibility that Shannahan/Allen/Snyder might just be pissed enough at him to keep him on the roster where he will be miserable knowing he is not wanted by anyone in hopes that Haynesworth will cave in and return some of his bonuses.

Unfortunately he is wanted by other teams, and the Redskins will need to suck it up and trade him. I'm sure the FO is pissed at him, but they just need to move on and continue rebuilding the team. No need to keep the circus around.

skinster · 07-06-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Unfortunately he is wanted by other teams, and the Redskins will need to suck it up and trade him. I'm sure the FO is pissed at him, but they just need to move on and continue rebuilding the team. No need to keep the circus around.

Do we have an idea of what the offers will be? I find it hard to believe that after Haslett's comments/player comments/the suspension/the huge contract the future team will take on that anyone is willing to give up more than a 5th rounder, more realistically a 6th. How many teams are interested in him? the only way I think we could get value is if a bidding war starts. If I'm dan snyder, I might want 17 million dollars over a late round pick (and send a message that nobody can get paid in washington without buying into the team).

That being said, I do agree with you, and I do think the circus is a bit too much, and if we can trade him, then we should trade him. I'd even release him over keeping him around to have him buy his way out. Bad for the locker room, and there is no guarantee that he would even agree to the buy out in this game of chicken (he probably already spent most of the money).

I might think about this situation differently if I were snyder. I dont care who you are, how much money you have, when someone lies to you to take 30 plus million dollars from you, your mindset/priorities might be shifted a little bit other than purely what is in the best interest of the team. I could see any owner rationalizing the positives of not letting Haynesworth steal their money and lying to them in order to convince themselves that what they are doing is the right move for the team.

An extreme situation, but mike brown refusing to get value for Carson/Ochocinco because he believes it is in the best interest of the team to set a precedent of honoring contracts (which he views as promises) is an example of this possible scenario happening elsewhere.

musicmaster45 · 07-06-2011, 07:42 PM

if he is a third best DT then im hoping for a 4 maybe round pick. That would be great. 3 4th round picks plus a pick in at least every other round. I hope McNabb gains us another pick. Then if Carolina (i think they will get the first pick again) might let us trade up ten spots or so to get Luck or we can get another quarterback that we like.

Alvin Walton · 07-06-2011, 09:08 PM

I hope you're right.
We could be semi loaded with picks next year without trading down.

06-15-2011, 04:26 PM	#95
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06-15-2011, 04:31 PM	#96
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,673	Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth The Bucs offered a ton of loot too didn't they? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-15-2011, 04:51 PM	#97
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth I think he was close to signing with the Bucs until Vinny convinced him he could do anything he wanted in the defense without consulting Greg Blache. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

07-06-2011, 03:47 PM	#99
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth I was looking at Haynesworth's contract on the warpath cap sheet, and supposedly Haynesworth's contract with the Redskins can be voided if he returns 16.8 mil of the signing bonus. Do you think that it is a possibility that the skins play chicken with Haynesworth? The Redskins want him gone, he wants to leave. We could keep him on our roster for this year unless he returns some money. I know Shannahan/Allen/Snyder are super pissed about last off-season when they gave him the option to be cut/traded to a place where he wants to be or he could take 30 million in bonuses and buy into what the redskins are doing. He took the money saying he would do what the redskins asked of him but then later went back on his word, demanded a trade, and refused to play for the redskins as they asked him. I am by no means predicting this to happen, but I do think its a possibility that Shannahan/Allen/Snyder might just be pissed enough at him to keep him on the roster where he will be miserable knowing he is not wanted by anyone in hopes that Haynesworth will cave in and return some of his bonuses.

07-06-2011, 07:42 PM	#102
musicmaster45 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 373	Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth if he is a third best DT then im hoping for a 4 maybe round pick. That would be great. 3 4th round picks plus a pick in at least every other round. I hope McNabb gains us another pick. Then if Carolina (i think they will get the first pick again) might let us trade up ten spots or so to get Luck or we can get another quarterback that we like. __________________ Shanahann loves the colleges i do...... Purdue and Nebraska FTW!!!!

07-06-2011, 09:08 PM	#103
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,857	Re: Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth I hope you're right. We could be semi loaded with picks next year without trading down. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

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