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Old 06-15-2011, 04:40 PM   #16
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

Uhhh, wasn't there a team recently seized by their league, because of mis- management? The Dodgers ranked ahead of the Skins?
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:47 PM   #17
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

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Son, we live in a world that has sports, and those sports have to be covered by the media. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Dirtbag? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for Jack Kent Cooke and you curse the Cowboys. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know

You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want us at ESPN! You need us at ESPN!

and so on...
First of all LOVE the A Few Good Men reference. I am tempted to stop slacking off of work to be on a message board to slack off of work and fire up Crackle to watch a few scenes.

That being said, I see your ESPN and raise you NFL Network. Not to spit at the Golden Goose that keeps the lights on in Smack-ville but they take the 'E' in ESPN to the extreme to where I don't consider that journalism anymore, it's more TMZ than CNN.

On topic, I think that's ridiculously low and I'm a little tired of being a national punching bag but coming off of the Cerrato years with McNabb/Haynesworth stench still floating around we need a strong 2011 and a great 2012 to move the needle on public perception.
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

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Uhhh, wasn't there a team recently seized by their league, because of mis- management? The Dodgers ranked ahead of the Skins?
Dodgers are in a cash-flow problem because the owners are in a hugely expensive divorce situation. Estimates are that they will spend $20M on lawyers in that divorce...


Mets are also in a financially precarious position.


Phoenix Coyotes actually declared bankruptcy and had to be bought out by the NHL just to avoid having a guy buy the team that the league does not want as an owner.


The Lions, Bengals, Clippers, Pirates, Royals and Cubs are all worse franchises than the Redskins.


Having said that, the Redskins have to be in the bottom 25% of that ranking of 122 franchises.
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First of all LOVE the A Few Good Men reference. I am tempted to stop slacking off of work to be on a message board to slack off of work and fire up Crackle to watch a few scenes.
Worth it

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That being said, I see your ESPN and raise you NFL Network. Not to spit at the Golden Goose that keeps the lights on in Smack-ville but they take the 'E' in ESPN to the extreme to where I don't consider that journalism anymore, it's more TMZ than CNN.
Your opinion, which you are entitled to. Not naive to the fact there is TMZ like journalism at times, but there's plenty of oustanding journalism here as well (for the record, I have nothing to do with the journalism here). Which I know many would not willingly admit to, lest they think they're being uncool by liking something ESPN has to offer. Do I get a bit defensive at times? Sure, but that's largely because they're watching me...kidding, it's because having worked with four major media companies this is hands down the best I've worked with. And with CNN turning to Bill Maher for political insight...I don't hold them in such high regard

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On topic, I think that's ridiculously low and I'm a little tired of being a national punching bag but coming off of the Cerrato years with McNabb/Haynesworth stench still floating around we need a strong 2011 and a great 2012 to move the needle on public perception.
I agree that it is low, but maybe not ridiculously low. And as I said before (becuause I know people think this is place is run by Redskins haters), others here would agree. But there a lot of factors involved, not least of which was the sports fans' impressions. And most sports fans think as poorly (most poorly?) of the Redskins as they have in nearly two decades.

I think we're absolutely in the right direction, but we've been in the right direction a couple of times in recent years only to come crashing down again.

I'm sure within two weeks, something will be written about something Dan Snyder said or did, and we'll all go back to talking about how awful the franchise is because of him...
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

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Your opinion, which you are entitled to. Not naive to the fact there is TMZ like journalism at times, but there's plenty of oustanding journalism here as well (for the record, I have nothing to do with the journalism here). Which I know many would not willingly admit to, lest they think they're being uncool by liking something ESPN has to offer. Do I get a bit defensive at times? Sure, but that's largely because they're watching me...kidding, it's because having worked with four major media companies this is hands down the best I've worked with. And with CNN turning to Bill Maher for political insight...I don't hold them in such high regard
CNN used merely for the perception of journalistic standard.. Could have also used Enquirer/Wall St. Journal analogy. I swing at ESPN mostly because I remember what they were vs. what they are today, but all due respect to the WWL. From the people I know who still work there, they hold it in high regard as well.

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I agree that it is low, but maybe not ridiculously low. And as I said before (becuause I know people think this is place is run by Redskins haters), others here would agree. But there a lot of factors involved, not least of which was the sports fans' impressions. And most sports fans think as poorly (most poorly?) of the Redskins as they have in nearly two decades.

I think we're absolutely in the right direction, but we've been in the right direction a couple of times in recent years only to come crashing down again.

I'm sure within two weeks, something will be written about something Dan Snyder said or did, and we'll all go back to talking about how awful the franchise is because of him...
So true as well. I hate to hear us joked about in such regard but until we regain respectability it is hard to debate our standing in the public eye.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:10 PM   #21
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

Sources have come to light suggesting a secret negotiation is in the works to place a "Johnny Rockets" in all ESPN cafeteria........allegedly
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THAT should be good for #119?
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A good franchise is a profitable one...
I'd say that if I was the owner or stock holder.
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A good franchise is a profitable one...
..........???How so?
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Old 06-16-2011, 05:06 AM   #24
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First of all LOVE the A Few Good Men reference. I am tempted to stop slacking off of work to be on a message board to slack off of work and fire up Crackle to watch a few scenes.

That being said, I see your ESPN and raise you NFL Network. Not to spit at the Golden Goose that keeps the lights on in Smack-ville but they take the 'E' in ESPN to the extreme to where I don't consider that journalism anymore, it's more TMZ than CNN.

On topic, I think that's ridiculously low and I'm a little tired of being a national punching bag but coming off of the Cerrato years with McNabb/Haynesworth stench still floating around we need a strong 2011 and a great 2012 to move the needle on public perception.
I'm very disappointed. I thought Smoot was quoting Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

As for TMZ vs CNN. It's still very far from that. PFT is much closer to TMZ then ESPN. I just wish they would show more hockey but they can't for obvious reasons. The SEC homerism could be toned down a tad

Still CNN isn't even CNN anymore. Riots going on in Vancouver, they show a rerun of Anderson Copper. Fox News Glenn Beck rerun. HLN JLo. Like really?
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:30 PM   #25
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

I never would have imagined one of the best money making team franchise would be the definition of worst franchise.

So it's safe to think....

$$$ = worst franchise.

I really wonder how they feel about the Bills, Bengals, Raiders, Jaguars, Panthers, a few basket ball teams like the Wizards, maybe a few hockey teams and lets not forget the Nats. Aren't they supposedly losing money every year?
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

I feel like this list is the top 100. Yea we haven't been a well run franchise for some time now, spending so much money, accomplishing nothing, and being in a position with very little young talent on our team due to trading away draft picks. We also have coach/player drama. But there is no way we are the second worst run franchise. Not even in the NFL. I defer to the bills who haven't had a winning season in the 7 years I've followed football and don't look like they will anytime soon.
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:07 PM   #27
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If I use "bang for the buck, players, fan relations, affordability, stadium experience, ownership, title track, and coaching" to measure the Redskins I would be hard pressed not to place them at the bottom of the pile.

Don't fool yourselves die-hard Skins fans...they stink in pretty much all those areas.
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:24 PM   #28
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If I use "bang for the buck, players, fan relations, affordability, stadium experience, ownership, title track, and coaching" to measure the Redskins I would be hard pressed not to place them at the bottom of the pile.

Don't fool yourselves die-hard Skins fans...they stink in pretty much all those areas.
I agree with most of those sentaments, except for stadium experience. I think fed ex field is great and kicks the shit outta watching the game at home. The only times when the experience isnt as good is when we are getting blown out.
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There are at least a dozen or so pro franchises in much worse shape than the Skins. Having them next to last is ridiculous.
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Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.

i honestly don't know enough about other sports franchises to know exactly where we should fall, but like sportscrumudgen said i do beleive we are in the bottom 25%. especially when you look at the past 10 years. all we have done is spend with no results, and not until recently have they made any attempts to make watching a game at fedex enjoyable. while i don't see how we are the second worse franchise in sports i could easily see us in the bottom 10 or 15.


on a side note it does get rather annoying when people bring up the championships that were won nearly two decades ago. i understand that we have won them and it's a great accomplishment, but is there even one person who was a part of those teams still with the redskins in any capacity? i can see where you can say we have more than other teams, but to keep going back to them as an example of how great this franchise once was just shows how far it has fallen. i would much rather claim a nfc east title that we have won in the past year or two rather than go back to the early 90's to claim an old superbowl victory.
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