Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-27-2011, 06:59 PM   #61
Living Legend
 
GTripp0012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Evanston, IL
Age: 26
Posts: 15,993
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtbag59 View Post
Why the hate for Franklin? Does he have a reputation as being a lazy player?
Haven't heard if he's lazy. But you compare him to Shaun Rogers, a player that numerous people were skeptical about before he signed with New Orleans after visiting here, and there's no question that 1)Rogers is going to age better than Franklin and 2)Rogers is worth more money than Franklin.

Rogers signed for one-year, $4 million. Franklin could reasonably expect to get 3/25 or something bigger. Point is, one player is going to get the kind of deal that the Redskins have always been guilty of giving out (one that can't be outperformed), and the other is almost certainly going to offer surplus value.
__________________
according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
GTripp0012 is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 06-27-2011, 08:14 PM   #62
Mann Up HOF!
 
Lotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hattiesburg, MS
Posts: 10,443
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTripp0012 View Post
Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.
Player benefits must be included. Once player benefits are factored in, then salaries likely will be around $120 mil., so the salary cap will be around $120 mil.

I can't guarantee that is how things will shake out, of course. Just sayin' that Clayton's numbers likely include a benefits deduction.
__________________
Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2011, 09:52 PM   #63
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 34
Posts: 8,279
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus View Post
Player benefits must be included. Once player benefits are factored in, then salaries likely will be around $120 mil., so the salary cap will be around $120 mil.

I can't guarantee that is how things will shake out, of course. Just sayin' that Clayton's numbers likely include a benefits deduction.
This, plus the new retirement benefits they agreed to for the retired players. That's probably a part of the 48% going to the players.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2011, 11:20 PM   #64
Playmaker
 
SkinzWin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 2,693
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTripp0012 View Post
Clayton's salary cap estimate seems low. I wish he had shown his work. $120 million would be really tight, both compared to recent history, and compared to what reported estimates of the revenue pie suggest.

I worked off the reported $9 billion total revenue figure and got a salary cap of $135 million. It's possible the $9 billion figure is just made up, but Clayton appears to be using an $8 billion revenue figure. Which could be accurate, but I don't think that information is publicly available.
After doing some reading about the negotiations going on, I can't find the article I read to save my life, it appears that from my recollection that under the old CBA the 9 billion came from a billion in breaks and kickbacks the owners received. If the new negotiations continue in the way they are headed, the owners would not get that billion in kickbacks but would instead have the revenue sharing formula simplified and somehow adjusted in their favor in place of not receiving the kickbacks. That would put Clayton at his estimation of 8 billion.
__________________
Sean Taylor #21 a Redskin forever...

Draft winners, not stars.

Hail to the Redskins
Hail victory
Braves on the warpath
Block for RG3
SkinzWin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2011, 08:16 AM   #65
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTripp0012 View Post
Haven't heard if he's lazy. But you compare him to Shaun Rogers, a player that numerous people were skeptical about before he signed with New Orleans after visiting here, and there's no question that 1)Rogers is going to age better than Franklin and 2)Rogers is worth more money than Franklin.

Rogers signed for one-year, $4 million. Franklin could reasonably expect to get 3/25 or something bigger. Point is, one player is going to get the kind of deal that the Redskins have always been guilty of giving out (one that can't be outperformed), and the other is almost certainly going to offer surplus value.
I was pleasantly surprised w/Anthony Bryant last year & was hoping the coaches felt he could start & then the rook from WV might back him up. The D played a couple of its best games w/bryant in there.
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2011, 01:52 PM   #66
Franchise Player
 
skinsfan69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arlington, VA.
Posts: 9,365
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTripp0012 View Post
Haven't heard if he's lazy. But you compare him to Shaun Rogers, a player that numerous people were skeptical about before he signed with New Orleans after visiting here, and there's no question that 1)Rogers is going to age better than Franklin and 2)Rogers is worth more money than Franklin.

Rogers signed for one-year, $4 million. Franklin could reasonably expect to get 3/25 or something bigger. Point is, one player is going to get the kind of deal that the Redskins have always been guilty of giving out (one that can't be outperformed), and the other is almost certainly going to offer surplus value.
wasn't aware that rogers got 4 mil from new orleans. pretty surprising.
skinsfan69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2011, 01:53 PM   #67
Franchise Player
 
skinsfan69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arlington, VA.
Posts: 9,365
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddyg12 View Post
I was pleasantly surprised w/Anthony Bryant last year & was hoping the coaches felt he could start & then the rook from WV might back him up. The D played a couple of its best games w/bryant in there.
agreed!
skinsfan69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2011, 02:26 PM   #68
Living Legend
 
Ruhskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,755
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTripp0012 View Post
Haven't heard if he's lazy. But you compare him to Shaun Rogers, a player that numerous people were skeptical about before he signed with New Orleans after visiting here, and there's no question that 1)Rogers is going to age better than Franklin and 2)Rogers is worth more money than Franklin.

Rogers signed for one-year, $4 million. Franklin could reasonably expect to get 3/25 or something bigger. Point is, one player is going to get the kind of deal that the Redskins have always been guilty of giving out (one that can't be outperformed), and the other is almost certainly going to offer surplus value.
I thought that there were some health questions regarding Rogers. I know he was okay last season, but missed some time in 2009. Also, I wonder if Rogers wanted to be more of a 4-3 DT (hence the move to NO), since Cleveland moved him to a 3-4 DE last season.

I do believe Franklin will be expensive. I think at this point I'd rather have a veteran 3-4 NT that won't be too expensive and see how Bryant and the rookies we picked up develop. I guess Kris Jenkins is still out there, but he is even more of a question mark than Rogers is...so who knows. On the other hand, I would hate to go into this season with a patchwork NT, especially when we seem to have good DEs and two young/talented OLBs.
__________________
R.I.P. #21

New words created on The Warpath:
Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory
Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota
Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual
Stroried

"Give an opinion and move on. Your life doesn't depend on winning the internet." -FRPLG
Ruhskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2011, 06:37 PM   #69
Camp Scrub
 
1niksder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Jacksonville Fl
Age: 50
Posts: 12
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneed10 View Post
None left to be paid, but lots left to be allocated on the salary cap books.
Not much left on the cap books because when AH didn't show for OTAs last season he voided the last $5.4M that was guaranteed in 2011.


Quote:
Originally Posted by J.I. Halsell
In his infamous $100 million contract of 2009, Haynesworth had a $21 million option bonus. As part of the deal, the Redskins reserved the right to convert that option bonus to signing bonus, and that’s exactly what they did according to league sources. However, they did this conversion with a slight twist. Not only did they convert the option bonus to a $21 million signing bonus, but they also added a voidable provision by which if Haynesworth pays back $16.8 million of the signing bonus, then the 2011 – 2014 contract years void away. From a team salary accounting standpoint, because the voidable is solely in the player’s control, the proration of the signing bonus does not go into 2011 – 2014, meaning all of the $21 million signing bonus counts in the uncapped year of 2010. As a result, Haynesworth’s team salary number in 2010 went from $8.8 million to a whopping $25.6 million. His subsequent team salary numbers are $6.4 million, $8.2 million, $10 million, $10.8 million, and $12.8 million respectively. With this new voidable provision, if Haynesworth decides he's unhappy with his role in the Redskins' new 3-4 defense and he can come to an agreement in principle with a new team that would guarantee him the $16.8 million he'd have to pay back to the Redskins, then in theory 2010 could Haynesworth's last year in Washington
1niksder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2011, 06:39 PM   #70
Camp Scrub
 
1niksder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Jacksonville Fl
Age: 50
Posts: 12
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1niksder View Post
Not much left on the cap books because when AH didn't show for OTAs last season he voided the last $5.4M that was guaranteed in 2011.
INSIDE THE CAP with J.I. Halsell: March 2010

Was limited by post count so I couldn't include a link above.

Letting AH go should be around $1M in dead cap

D Hall's contract was re-worked the same way
1niksder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2011, 07:01 PM   #71
Special Teams
 
musicmaster45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 373
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

I still dont want Albert in the locker room if were trying for a culture change. Thats what the Kerrigan pick was and the whole draft for that matter. We almost exclusively went for guys who were hard workers and come to play. Trade him for a 4 or 5 round pick. it would make me so happy. Same with McNabb for that matter.
__________________
Shanahann loves the colleges i do...... Purdue and Nebraska FTW!!!!
musicmaster45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2011, 11:06 AM   #72
The Starter
 
sandtrapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,593
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by NC_Skins View Post
NFL: Teams most hurt, helped by salary-cap proposal - ESPN

Positive news indeed this potential off-season. Danny boy gets to blow some cash!!



Can't wait till the new CBA is finished so we can get to filling in some of our holes currently.


As a bonus, Dallas is getting screwed.
Columbo is history regardless of salary cap adjustments. Marion Barber will probably get his release as well. Thats why they drafted Tyron Smith and DeMarco Murray. And with the rookie salary pool all but a certainty, the dollars saved could be spread elsewhere.
sandtrapjack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2011, 11:24 AM   #73
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by sandtrapjack View Post
Columbo is history regardless of salary cap adjustments. Marion Barber will probably get his release as well. Thats why they drafted Tyron Smith and DeMarco Murray. And with the rookie salary pool all but a certainty, the dollars saved could be spread elsewhere.
That's sad. Barber is a cowboy, but I always liked his tenacious style. Will miss seeing him w/dallas. I was hoping Landry would at least get to tacklie him by grabbing his dreads one good time!
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2011, 11:32 AM   #74
Playmaker
 
Defensewins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,839
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Can someone explain this quote form the article:
"Snyder and Mike Shanahan will have to be creative in how they structure contracts, because the $120 million cap would give them only around $10 million of cap room. On the positive side, the Redskins' current payroll is $75.7 million, meaning Snyder would have to spend close to $45 million in cash to meet the potential minimum floor requirements. Imagine a system that forces Snyder to spend."

Do we have $10M to spend or $45M?
Sorry I did not go back and read 5 full pages of this thread to see if this was already discussed.
Brilliant on the part of Allen to free up space during an uncapped year (2010) so we can have extra spending money in 2011. This was the kind of planning we did not have under the rudderless Snyderatto FO....and yes I add Snyder to the equation in our former Cerratto/Snyder FO failure.
Defensewins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2011, 05:10 PM   #75
Playmaker
 
Giantone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,995
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Question,....does the cap room in question also include the "rookie salery cap" or is that a seperate amount of money?
__________________
....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.
Giantone is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.35138 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25