Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-01-2011, 03:58 AM   #91
Pro Bowl
 
Giantone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,118
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
If I have a lemonade stand and hire you to help me run it, I'm not going to split all the cash I make with you. I'm going to take out all the money I invested in lemons, sugar, cups, etc. And then split whatever is left over with you. It's like that.

LOL...ok, think of the players as..."lemonade"....without them there is no profit.
__________________
....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.
Giantone is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 07-01-2011, 09:13 AM   #92
Living Legend
 
Monkeydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA
Age: 35
Posts: 16,275
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
I don't see why the players should be given any percentage of revenue.... They should be given a percentage of profit.
BAD idea. Teams with owners like Jerry Jones who is spending profits like a madman will be screwing his players over. They bring him a ton of revenue and it's not their fault if he chooses to drop a billion dollars on a stadium or gets himself fined for a punt-blocking TV screen above the field (somehow he escaped any responsibility with that blunder).

Even for the Skins this year, the stadium is being renovated and that will cut into the profits for the year. Snyder's likely not handing the contractors cash at the start of the job, he'll be paying off a construction loan/note in the near future for the work. Should the players be penalized for the owner's decisions on how to use the revenue and affect his profit?
__________________
Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster
Monkeydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2011, 03:43 PM   #93
Playmaker
 
Defensewins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,897
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeydad View Post
BAD idea. Teams with owners like Jerry Jones who is spending profits like a madman will be screwing his players over. They bring him a ton of revenue and it's not their fault if he chooses to drop a billion dollars on a stadium or gets himself fined for a punt-blocking TV screen above the field (somehow he escaped any responsibility with that blunder).

Even for the Skins this year, the stadium is being renovated and that will cut into the profits for the year. Snyder's likely not handing the contractors cash at the start of the job, he'll be paying off a construction loan/note in the near future for the work. Should the players be penalized for the owner's decisions on how to use the revenue and affect his profit?
It is a bad idea and almost everyone knows that this would be bad for the players. The players should not have to pay for owners private jets and extravagant boondoggle's like the annual owners meetings being held at expensive St. Regis Resort in Dana Point country club (nice expensive golf courses) rather then at an NFL team owned building (no frills conference room/no cost).
It amazes me that these owners cry poor and spend money the way they do on non-essential expenses. Was the Dulles Marriott conference room booked? What.....32 guys can not fit into a normal inexpensive conference room?
Defensewins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2011, 05:07 PM   #94
Pro Bowl
 
Giantone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,118
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon View Post
Ticket prices, concession prices and parking prices will go UP if the players' share is 45%, 48%, 52% or 59%. .
They go up anyway and if you are one of the fools that buys a $3.75 12oz bottle of beer at the park.....you're dumb enough to pay $4 for it.
__________________
....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

Last edited by Giantone; 07-04-2011 at 10:55 AM.
Giantone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2011, 07:20 PM   #95
Registered User
 
BigHairedAristocrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,917
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeydad View Post
BAD idea. Teams with owners like Jerry Jones who is spending profits like a madman will be screwing his players over. They bring him a ton of revenue and it's not their fault if he chooses to drop a billion dollars on a stadium or gets himself fined for a punt-blocking TV screen above the field (somehow he escaped any responsibility with that blunder).

Even for the Skins this year, the stadium is being renovated and that will cut into the profits for the year. Snyder's likely not handing the contractors cash at the start of the job, he'll be paying off a construction loan/note in the near future for the work. Should the players be penalized for the owner's decisions on how to use the revenue and affect his profit?
This would not be on a team by team basis, it would be based on the league as a whole like, it is now. And even then, yes players should be "penalized" by getting lower salaries if profits are down. Likewise they should be rewarded when profits go up. It's not fair that the owners and taxpayers pay for stadiums out of their pockets and the players don't have to contribute anything towards it. Players need stadiums to play in.
BigHairedAristocrat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2011, 07:46 PM   #96
Living Legend
 
GTripp0012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Evanston, IL
Age: 26
Posts: 15,994
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
This would not be on a team by team basis, it would be based on the league as a whole like, it is now. And even then, yes players should be "penalized" by getting lower salaries if profits are down. Likewise they should be rewarded when profits go up. It's not fair that the owners and taxpayers pay for stadiums out of their pockets and the players don't have to contribute anything towards it. Players need stadiums to play in.
I agree with the overall point you are making which is that lower revenues should mean declining player costs. I might even go as far as saying that if the rate of revenue declines, aggregate player costs should be frozen.

But the owners already get unfairly good stadium deals through subsidies and luxury boxes and PSLs. And while concerns about paying off debt on stadiums if there is no player revenue are legitimate concerns, new stadiums are ALWAYS a net positive gain for the total asset level of the ownership group. Given that fact, players owe the owners nothing beyond the fact that the owners need them for the product they bring.

The owners that have a legit problem are the ones that can't land new stadium deals, not the owners who have outstanding debt on new stadiums. As long as football games are being played, there will be positive cash flows for ownership, and new stadiums will remain cash cows for owners.

Now are the taxpayers being screwed? Oh yeah. However, in no way will reduced player costs possibly result in a net benefit for the taxpayers. Thankfully, in the cases of the Dallas and New York stadiums, the public contributions have declined and ownership is taking a higher responsibility to build assets that will ultimately belong to ownership.
__________________
according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
GTripp0012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2011, 04:55 PM   #97
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,678
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by CultBrennan59 View Post
God this is why I hate ESPN.com. If I want to read an interesting article I have to pay to be an insider. Can anyone who is an insider copy and paste what Kiper has to say about the Skins in this article... NFL: Mel Kiper's summer look at the NFC East - ESPN
You're not missing much not having access to this article

Help added: This was like a different team this draft. What happened? The Redskins entered the draft without a third- or fourth-round pick and had just eight overall. Same ol' story. But when it was all said and done, they made 12 selections -- four in the first four rounds. After working out a trade with Jacksonville, in which they swapped first-rounders, and dropping six spots, the redskins were thrilled to see Purdue LB Ryan Kerrigan still available. After making a name for himself at defensive end with the Boilermakers, he'll operate at OLB in the Redskins' 3-4 base. Kerrigan has natural big-play ability that can't be taught.

I'm not as high on DE Jarvis Jenkins as the Skins are, but the second-round pick out of Clemson could be productive. Miami wideout Leonard Hankerson was a very nice pick in the third round and gives them the type of physical presence at the position that was lacking last season. A fourth-round pick, Nebraska RB Roy Helu is made to order for their offense. He has excellent speed and is the type of one-cut runner that excels in Mike Shanahan's offense. They obviously scouted Nebraska very thoroughly as their next two picks were teammates of Helu.

I had a free-agent grade on safety DeJon Gomes; they saw fit to take him in the fifth round. We'll see. Wideout Niles Paul struggled with some drops and wasn't much of a factor in the offense last season due in large part to the quarterback situation, so taking a chance on him in the fifth round is well worth it. The sixth-round pick, Penn State RB Evan Royster, has limitations but can catch the ball. I really liked their other selection in the sixth round of SMU wideout Aldrick Robinson. He took over for Emmanuel Sanders as the Mustangs' feature receiver in 2010 and had a very good year.

Questions that remain: As I wrote in my 2011 NFL draft grades, "We know the Redskins need help at quarterback, but I'll give them credit: They realized there wasn't a quarterback in this draft who can help them in 2011, and they moved out of the spot that became the Blaine Gabbert pick." I'll stand by that now, meaning that's a question that remains. And for whoever is taking the snaps, the offensive line will need to continue to progress, and Hankerson will need to quickly add an element in the passing game. Obviously, the biggest questions all start on the offensive side of the ball, where you have to hope Shanahan can get the running game he made famous untracked with some new talent.

Next year's help now: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
This isn't a prediction that the Skins will be in place to land Luck, it means he'd be the best QB on their roster now.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2011, 06:02 PM   #98
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 8,303
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
If I have a lemonade stand and hire you to help me run it, I'm not going to split all the cash I make with you. I'm going to take out all the money I invested in lemons, sugar, cups, etc. And then split whatever is left over with you. It's like that.
Pffft.

#1, if I'm a player, why in God's name would I take that deal? That would be the worst CBA situation imaginable.

#2 If I'm a player, I AM the lemonade.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2011, 06:05 PM   #99
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
I don't see why the players should be given any percentage of revenue.... They should be given a percentage of profit.
Revenues will always be higher than "profit" because Revenues is what the company takes in BEFORE ANY expenses are deducted from it. The players would NEVER do it.

The real problem is that unions are adamantly opposed to ANY lowering of the wages.

Revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2011, 08:34 PM   #100
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,678
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Thank goodness for that Wikipedia link. Until now, I thought revenue was a street Astro lived on.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2011, 08:18 AM   #101
Pro Bowl
 
Giantone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,118
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneed10 View Post
Pffft.



#2 If I'm a player, I AM the lemonade.

great minds think alike ...see #93
__________________
....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.
Giantone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2011, 08:19 AM   #102
The Starter
 
sandtrapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,593
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Thank goodness for that Wikipedia link. Until now, I thought revenue was a street Astro lived on.
Lmao!

Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
sandtrapjack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2011, 08:22 AM   #103
Pro Bowl
 
Giantone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,118
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Sports Center was reporting that the Cowboys are moving their equipment and will open camp on 7/29
__________________
....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.
Giantone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2011, 10:34 AM   #104
The Starter
 
sandtrapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,593
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giantone View Post
Sports Center was reporting that the Cowboys are moving their equipment and will open camp on 7/29
Saw that too. I live in San Antonio & am hoping that camp takes place.

Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
sandtrapjack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2011, 12:07 PM   #105
Living Legend
 
Monkeydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA
Age: 35
Posts: 16,275
Re: ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat View Post
This would not be on a team by team basis, it would be based on the league as a whole like, it is now. And even then, yes players should be "penalized" by getting lower salaries if profits are down. Likewise they should be rewarded when profits go up. It's not fair that the owners and taxpayers pay for stadiums out of their pockets and the players don't have to contribute anything towards it. Players need stadiums to play in.
Players have no direct impact on profits. Revenue, yes, but not profits. Their salaries should not be tied to a number that can be manipulated and affected by ownership decisions.
__________________
Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster
Monkeydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.34461 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25