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Old 12-26-2004, 08:20 PM   #31
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OK, so free angency? Who's staying, who's being shown the door?
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:27 PM   #32
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But we gave up a 3rd for Brunell. Didn't we give up a 1st for Portis too?
Everything we gave up was for this last draft. It was a second for portis btw.
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:38 PM   #33
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Antonio Brown won't even be given a bus ticket home. Smoot may be gone. Only his personality will be missed. It seems to boil down to having a legitimate pass rushing DE. That should free up our more athletic LBs. Nice FG 'attempt' by Chandler.

What do you mean his personality will only be missed. Give me a break. He has one somewhat bad game, and you wanna run him out of town. In my opinion he is the single most importnat peice to that defensive team.
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:39 PM   #34
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There is no way Smoot goes. He's a core Redskin.
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:47 PM   #35
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Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:55 PM   #36
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Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?



Springs was covering the play in the flats, Taylor was supposed to be the saftey help over the top. Its hard to say whos fault it was without knowing the actual play assignments. I think it was Taylor that had that guy.
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Old 12-26-2004, 08:59 PM   #37
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Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?
I agree, Beemnseven. Taylor damn near came back and made the play, while Springs Jammed at the line but then let the receiver go. Taylor was, after all, covering Keyshawn Johnson, and to his credit broke off of that coverage as soon as he recognized the deep pass. He was only a split second too late to either cause an incompletion or make the tackle. Springs was on the wide-out all the way and just got burnt. My argument is that they should have stayed with the blitz, which had been working so well, and not given Testaverde a chance to drop back and throw that perfect pass to begin with.
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Old 12-26-2004, 09:05 PM   #38
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It was both there faults, but I am not blaming anyone. Deep ball they caught it tough shit. I have seen worse losses in my life time. Thats why 5-9 teams do not belong in the playoffs. They cannot stop the big play as far as Browns fumble goes that is what killed us. Giving the Boy's another chance "tisk tisk". I am not going to bash Taylor the man is not perfect people cannot expect him to stop every play. Ed reed can't even do that. Just another loss, lets get ready for next week. We have a very tough test against the Vikes, especially with the loss of Smoot. We will see who will be here next year in the secondary. Another BRILLANT game by Mr. Peirce the man just flat out has so much heart and is leading this defense. I really loved when he called that timeout in the fourth because some screw up did not cover a reciever then yelled at him like a boyfriend catching his girl cheating on him "CLASSIC". That is what a leader does he raises his voice in a time of need. Portis going down today I feel was the biggest blow we became so one dimensional and Ramsey just showed me again why I am not sold on him. Mr. Inconsistency I say I know those picks were not his, but he looked scared today. For two series I just watched his feet and boy a track runner doesn't move his feet that much. Also with this loss we moved up like 6 spots in the draft. Well I have spoken my mind bring on the bashing I'm here all week.
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Old 12-26-2004, 11:31 PM   #39
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Guys: I agree that putting the ball in our defenses hands isn't the worst thing in the world, but please. 3 runs up the middle? HOW can you possibly defend that. We hadn't gotten any yards on the previous two plays and the 3rd we would rip it up. I'm sorry, but if we get a first down who cares if they still have one more TO, we can run the clock way down and seal it. Conservative football has burned us so many times. It's infuriating.
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Old 12-27-2004, 12:26 AM   #40
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Normally I agree that Gibbs is too conservative. However, I agree with how he went about it at the end of the game, trying to run the clock out. Thats just how you do it. As somone pointed out, The Cheifs did the same thing yetserday, and should have lost the game because of it. I think our goaline playcalling is awful, but in the situation, I dont think the calling was too conservaitve, I think its just what you do. The Game as a whole, yeah, theres things we could have done different, but as for running out the clock, I think you run the ball.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:05 AM   #41
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Normally I agree that Gibbs is too conservative. However, I agree with how he went about it at the end of the game, trying to run the clock out. Thats just how you do it. As somone pointed out, The Cheifs did the same thing yetserday, and should have lost the game because of it. I think our goaline playcalling is awful, but in the situation, I dont think the calling was too conservaitve, I think its just what you do. The Game as a whole, yeah, theres things we could have done different, but as for running out the clock, I think you run the ball.
I absolutely agree with you. It's easy to say we should have attacked at the end of the game. But why take that risk? Stay simple, protect the ball, hope to get a first down. Don't try any trickery or more importantly risk an unecessary turnover.

Our defense is our strength so why wouldn't we put the game in their hands?
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:35 AM   #42
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I absolutely agree with you. It's easy to say we should have attacked at the end of the game. But why take that risk? Stay simple, protect the ball, hope to get a first down. Don't try any trickery or more importantly risk an unecessary turnover.

Our defense is our strength so why wouldn't we put the game in their hands?
I would agree with you in principle. However I don't understand the defensive playcalling on the last Dallas possession. All game long we were pressuring Vinny, sacking him or making him check down or throw the ball away. Why all of a sudden did we go to what looked like prevent coverage? And as far as the offense was concerned I certainly wouldn't be suggesting any trick plays, but fer crying out loud, you marched right down the field by mixing up run and pass- why the hell not stick with it! I just think that if they would have played and called the the last two offensive possessions like they did their TD drive, we could have walked home with a W.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:49 AM   #43
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I would agree with you in principle. However I don't understand the defensive playcalling on the last Dallas possession. All game long we were pressuring Vinny, sacking him or making him check down or throw the ball away. Why all of a sudden did we go to what looked like prevent coverage? And as far as the offense was concerned I certainly wouldn't be suggesting any trick plays, but fer crying out loud, you marched right down the field by mixing up run and pass- why the hell not stick with it! I just think that if they would have played and called the the last two offensive possessions like they did their TD drive, we could have walked home with a W.
Well, you're right about the prevent defense. I didn't quite get that either. I'm not sure they exactly played a prevent defense but they certainly weren't as aggressive toward the end of the last drive as they were at the beginning.

And I hear what you're saying about mixing things up. And it worked great on that TD drive, no question about it. But they had to take a chance because they were trailing at the time. With the lead and a strong defense I just don't think you put the ball in the air.
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I would agree with you in principle. However I don't understand the defensive playcalling on the last Dallas possession. All game long we were pressuring Vinny, sacking him or making him check down or throw the ball away. Why all of a sudden did we go to what looked like prevent coverage? And as far as the offense was concerned I certainly wouldn't be suggesting any trick plays, but fer crying out loud, you marched right down the field by mixing up run and pass- why the hell not stick with it! I just think that if they would have played and called the the last two offensive possessions like they did their TD drive, we could have walked home with a W.
i agree it seemed like the second to last dallas possession we punished vinny and then on the last possession we sat back and waited for him to pass the ball...i didn't understand. i also agree that it was best left up to the defense to hold the win..but isn't it obvious we play our best defense when we are really aggressive.
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:31 AM   #45
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Running out the clock is grand, but you can really run it out if you get 1 first down. I don't think a playaction pass to a short receiver (first down marker) would be too bad. The same amount of time is on the clock, only they have one more time out. Which would have been used and given us more time to score.
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