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Old 12-27-2004, 09:45 AM   #46
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Suppose one of those passes had fallen incomplete and the clock had stopped and Dallas hadn't been forced to use a TO? People would have been all over Gibbs for not running it and having the game fall into the D's hands. Kinda darned if you do, danged if you don't.
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:46 AM   #47
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Running out the clock is grand, but you can really run it out if you get 1 first down. I don't think a playaction pass to a short receiver (first down marker) would be too bad. The same amount of time is on the clock, only they have one more time out. Which would have been used and given us more time to score.
I'm thinking you meant "if you can't get 1 first down" and I completely agree. Plain and simple, this team does not have the offensive line to play smashmouth football with anybody for a running back, even a John Riggins. Our last two offensive possessions Dallas was flooding the box to stop the run and our OH-line was being completely OHverwhelmed. A quick hitter to Cooley about 4 or 5 yds over the middle or a flat route probably would have gotten the job done. While we may have been a little more desparate on the TD drive, the playcalling was sharp with a good mix of pass and run and it kept the Dallas D completely on their heels. Until we get a few more linemen to complement the likes of Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels (and no, I'm not totally sold on hickory-dickory Dockery yet) we're not going to be able to challenge a team to stop us like in the old Gibbs days. The personnel is simply not there to do it.
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:59 AM   #48
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I should also say that there is a master plan at work here, I believe. I hope we all see this when we start winning.
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Old 12-27-2004, 10:39 AM   #49
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Master plan? Please, elaborate. We've tried this run up the middle 3 times strategy in various situations, I can't think of a single time it worked. As far as people yelling at Gibbs for trying a short throw. I don't think so. If we got a single first down the game woulda been basicly ours. I think it's ridiculous to not even attempt to get the first down to seal the game. Our defense is great, but if you give a team enough chances they'll get something.
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Old 12-27-2004, 10:45 AM   #50
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Guys, if we had an offensive line that gave our backs some holes to run through, we wouldn't have to pass in that situation. Good teams run out the clock by pounding the ball. It doesn't matter who's running it.

I think our o-line struggled all day yesterday against a mediocre at best d-line. If we can't run the ball and protect the QB, you're in big trouble.
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Old 12-27-2004, 10:49 AM   #51
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Hey, Redskins_P, we don't have said offensive line, therefore we shouldn't pretend we do! Not all teams run 3 times in that situation, many teams will throw a HIGH PERCENTAGE SHORT PASS! Something that's bound to get yards. Everyone going out would have had man coverage and I think a route to Cooley, Gardner, or McCants could have easily done the trick.

If we hand it back to our defense with 20 seconds and no timeouts, it's a much different ballgame.
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Old 12-27-2004, 10:58 AM   #52
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Hey, Redskins_P, we don't have said offensive line, therefore we shouldn't pretend we do! Not all teams run 3 times in that situation, many teams will throw a HIGH PERCENTAGE SHORT PASS! Something that's bound to get yards. Everyone going out would have had man coverage and I think a route to Cooley, Gardner, or McCants could have easily done the trick.

If we hand it back to our defense with 20 seconds and no timeouts, it's a much different ballgame.

Hey Daseal, since we don't have an offensive line, who was going to protect Ramsey when he throws that high percantage pass?

With our luck that pass would've been deflected then intercepted or Ramsey would've gotten sacked.

It all starts up front, and that's where we've been most inconsitent all year.
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:17 AM   #53
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The same line that let him complete 19 of 29. When given high percentage passes he completely nearly all of them. He didn't exactly need a lot of time to get it off. God forbid he get intercepted, we might have lost!
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:24 AM   #54
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This loss has to be blamed on the defense this time. How do you stuff the Cowboys all game long only to let them march down the field in about a minute and score on a 30+ yard TD pass? I kept thinking...okay Skins all you have to do is two stop them on two more downs! Then all of a sudden..the bomb downfield! I was screaming at the television!

As for the playcalling in this situation, you can't run out the clock by passing the ball. I realize ineffective running isn't going to help much..but it does force the other team to burn timeouts. Incompletions stop the clock, and that is one thing you don't want to do in a situation of chewing up clock time...even if you do have a 3 and 15 or whatever. Even if we throw and get another first down, the Cowboys have at least one timeout left to stop the clock...and considering how fast it took them to score on us..we would have still left them with plenty of time to have scored.
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:28 AM   #55
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Skinsguy, when it's all said and done the defense did lose the game. BUT, this is the same defense that created 2 turnovers, and stopped the Cowboys 3 times before they gave up the touchdown. So, I blame the offense for not taking advantage of the turnovers and the special teams for fumbling that punt return.

Our defense is great, but you can't expect to win if you can only come with 10 points in a game.
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:30 AM   #56
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The same line that let him complete 19 of 29. When given high percentage passes he completely nearly all of them. He didn't exactly need a lot of time to get it off. God forbid he get intercepted, we might have lost!

To me it just seems like whatever we do, we still find a way to lose the game.


We had our opportunities, starting with the opening drive and marching all the way downfield to come with......nothing.
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:34 AM   #57
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To me it just seems like whatever we do, we still find a way to lose the game.


We had our opportunities, starting with the opening drive and marching all the way downfield to come with......nothing.
Yeah that INT at the Dallas 3 really came back to burn us at the end didn't it? Since it was early its importance seems diminished but it really shouldn't be
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:35 AM   #58
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Well yeah...I mean like the opening drive where the Redskins marched down the field, only to have a freak interception off of a tipped pass. I'm just saying at the end, our defense lost the game for us...but the defense played great to keep us in the game this whole time. The eagles beat the Cowboys with only 12 points, and I believe 10 points would have been good enough to have beaten them, we just made a very big mistake at the end.

This has to stink more than any of the recent meetings between the two teams for the fact that we would have kept our playoff chances alive if we would have held on for a little more than a minute. I'm telling you, its the Daniel Synder curse!
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:39 AM   #59
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Yeah that INT at the Dallas 3 really came back to burn us at the end didn't it? Since it was early its importance seems diminished but it really shouldn't be

Absolutely! That killed some of the early momentum that we had.
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Old 12-27-2004, 12:00 PM   #60
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That opening drive INT really hurt, we should have at least got a FG out of it but to come away with nothing really hurts especially when points are so scarce with this offense. Tough to say who's fault it was, Kozlowski probably should have hauled it in but it was a tough ball, perhaps Ramsey had a bit too much heat on it.

Either way there were many key plays throughout the game, blaming it all on the playcalling at the very end is a narrow view.

Give me any coach in a similar situation and 99% of the time that coach will do the same thing Gibbs tried to do, run the ball and more importantly make the other team burn their timeouts. If you throw an incompletion the clock stops and they save a timeout in the process. Punt the ball away and leave it up to your 2nd ranked defense to close out the game, that's called playing to your strengths. It may not be sexy but it's what wins football games the majority of the time.
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