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Old 12-27-2004, 12:53 PM   #61
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Master plan? Please, elaborate.
Unlike everyone else, I don't think Gibbs expected to come in and turn the franchise around in one year. I believe that he is trying to straighten out what 5 years of DS's meddling has done. Flash does not necessarily win in the NFL. Continuity and dominance in minute details of the game puts Ws on the board.

Look at the difference between now and this time last year. I supported Spurrier every day he was the head coach, but the difference is like night and day. The players didn't see the franchise going anywhere last year. The players have rallied around Gibbs.

No, Gibbs has not come back into the league and ripped it up. He has shown some rust, but to think that he doesn't have a plan or the know-how to right the ship is absurd.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:06 PM   #62
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Give me any coach in a similar situation and 99% of the time that coach will do the same thing Gibbs tried to do, run the ball and more importantly make the other team burn their timeouts. If you throw an incompletion the clock stops and they save a timeout in the process. Punt the ball away and leave it up to your 2nd ranked defense to close out the game, that's called playing to your strengths. It may not be sexy but it's what wins football games the majority of the time.

I agree. You will find very VERY few teams in that siutation doing anything different.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:06 PM   #63
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I think very few of us thought we'd be going to the Super Bowl this year, but we did expect improvement. The problem is not the record to me, it's how we've lost these games. Conservative playcalling, and those minute details you mentioned being over-looked. We are penelized just as much (although half our penelty yards are on bullshit PI calls against Smoot.)

DS's medeling? Jesus, he picked his guys one year, realized he made a mistake and has nothing but gone out and fetched whatever players his coaches have wanted! Joe Gibbs said himself that he couldn't ask anything more from Daniel Snyder. He's paying a losing coaching staff more than any other staff in the league, he's built them everything they've asked, gotten nearly every player we seek. DS has no blame in this, he's doing more than any other owner in the league to try to help his coaches win!

What do you mean the difference? The same record? Massive amounts of penelties? Questionable playcalling? It looks exactly the same only we have an awesome defense and a horrible defense as opposed to a mediocre offense and a horrible defense. The penelties, O line play, and receptions I expected to go up. I had high hopes, I admit, but I also realized there was a good chance they wouldn't come true.

I also agree that Gibbs is an amazing leader. These guys would follow him to their death I think. That takes something special, very special. No one can doubt his dedication or his ability to have the players rally around him. I do however question how long that will last. There's always an aura of hope and salvation around a new coach, which in DC seems to fade quickly. Being that it's a guy that won Super Bowls way back gives him more leeway than he deserves, in my opinion.

Cpayne: He's kept making the same mistakes. It's like the rat that keeps hitting the same red button and getting a jolt. The blue button is right there that dispenses food, but he can't seem to figure it out. Three runs up the middle is infuriating. At least try.

We need an offensive coordinator I feel completely. At least someone to replace Don Breax to give input. Someone who's been in the league for quite some time!
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:17 PM   #64
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The difference can be found in the morale of the team. Top to bottom.

DS's meddling comes in the form of change. I agree he is very willing, but he also promotes unnecessary change.

Do you think it's mistakes or protection? I think that the last thing he wants to do is ruin Patrick Ramsey's confidence at this point in his career. Again, it goes back to the continuity thing.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:37 PM   #65
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That opening drive INT really hurt, we should have at least got a FG out of it but to come away with nothing really hurts especially when points are so scarce with this offense. Tough to say who's fault it was, Kozlowski probably should have hauled it in but it was a tough ball, perhaps Ramsey had a bit too much heat on it.

I've watched it a couple of times and it appears that the ball caught Kozlowski by surprise, he didn't have his hands out to catch it, he almost had his hands against his shoulder pads, just our luck that the ball went to a defender instead of zinging out the back of the end zone. A lot of time chewed up for nothing.

I don't buy into curses or any of that stuff, we broke before they did. 2005 will be a different story. Can you imagine how different the team will be when Gibbs and Williams has them for an entire season, instead of having all the nonsense and distractions that they had this year?
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Old 12-27-2004, 02:04 PM   #66
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I've watched it a couple of times and it appears that the ball caught Kozlowski by surprise, he didn't have his hands out to catch it, he almost had his hands against his shoulder pads, just our luck that the ball went to a defender instead of zinging out the back of the end zone.

Even though it caught him by surprise he still should've caught it. Like my old high school coach used to always tell me, "if you touched the ball you should've caught it"

I bet Cooley or Royal would've caught it.
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Old 12-27-2004, 03:42 PM   #67
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Put yourself in Ramseys shoes? You're not thinking "Wow, he's really trying to protect me!" He's thinking "Asshole doesn't believe in me."
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Gibbs has a one on one meeting with Ramsey every week I'm sure, so he knows exactly what's going on.
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:12 PM   #69
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Put yourself in Ramseys shoes? You're not thinking "Wow, he's really trying to protect me!" He's thinking "Asshole doesn't believe in me."

it's probably more like "shit, if I don't get rid of the ball soon, my ass is getting pummeled"
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At least he's not worried about losing years off his life anymore.
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:47 PM   #71
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The playcalling at the end was fine. It was a textbook clock rundown and not many coaches would have (or should have) run it differently.

Some points:

- I thought Antonio Brown looked great early on. Great speed and he looked dangerous every time. Of course the fumble was INEXCUSABLE, but there's no point killing this kid, I'd give him another shot or two.

- The fumble really hurt us. We forced them 3 and out, but we could have had the ball and made them use all their timeouts first. Instead they got a second chance to use all their timeouts and get the ball one more time when the game shoulda been over.

- Washington's offside penalty also hurt. It stopped the clock with like 45 seconds left and let the Cowboys settle down and regroup.

- Taylor screwed up at the end but I have to put more blame on the play call. We got caught in no-man's-land. No pressure yet not safe enough deep. It was just like one of my online Madden games. Springs was wasted out in the flat, and the game shouldn't be put in the hands of a rookie hoping he makes the right decision in deep coverage. It's not the first time Taylor has screwed up in deep coverage.

- I've said it before and I'll say it again - this is not a "great" defense. We like to jump around and talk trash when guys like Clemons are sacking poor Vinny, but we're not mature enough to close out a game when it's in the D's hands. The same thing happened in the Browns game. The Patriots would never give up a play like that. Once we took the lead the game shoulda been over. The offense didn't help much but the bottom line is we had a 4 point lead with 1 minute left and the ball at the 50. No D should blow that game, especially not a 'great' D.

- That was one of the most painful losses ever.
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Old 12-27-2004, 06:26 PM   #72
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one of the main reasons the skins could'nt win this year was their lack of one of the game's fundamentals,catching the ball.i can't tell you, and if you have watched the games you know,how many dropped passes the skins have had this year.and there have also been a huge amount of overthrows,and the whole team just has'nt had that killer instint late in the 4th quarter when they needed it most.hey,that's my 2cents worth.
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Old 12-27-2004, 06:46 PM   #73
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I know alot of you see this game as being lost by Gibbs or the Defense or Sean Taylor, but to me, I see the game being won by Tuna and a WR named Patrick Crayton. "Where was Taylor, why was Springs playing the flats?" Because Keyshawn was in the slot and they were both looking to make the play on the guy who to that point had done EVERYTHING positive for the cowboys in that game. If Taylor plays more wide, he misses the play on Keyshawn. If Springs plays deeper, he misses the play on Keyshawn. If you are going to gamble, that's the gamble you take. Let the undrafted player alone and cover Keyshawn. Patrick Crayton made 2 big plays in the game and was the hero. If you remember a 4th and long before that TD was caught by the rookie too. Just like we've had guys step up and make things happen to win, Dallas had their guy do it in that game.
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Old 12-27-2004, 06:51 PM   #74
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I know alot of you see this game as being lost by Gibbs or the Defense or Sean Taylor, but to me, I see the game being won by Tuna and a WR named Patrick Crayton. "Where was Taylor, why was Springs playing the flats?" Because Keyshawn was in the slot and they were both looking to make the play on the guy who to that point had done EVERYTHING positive for the cowboys in that game. If Taylor plays more wide, he misses the play on Keyshawn. If Springs plays deeper, he misses the play on Keyshawn. If you are going to gamble, that's the gamble you take. Let the undrafted player alone and cover Keyshawn. Patrick Crayton made 2 big plays in the game and was the hero. If you remember a 4th and long before that TD was caught by the rookie too. Just like we've had guys step up and make things happen to win, Dallas had their guy do it in that game.
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Old 12-27-2004, 06:56 PM   #75
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lol, just because there arent many positive things about our team doesnt mean that we arent fans. Its not our fault that we lost. Mabye it is all YOUR faults, since I went to the game I was there trying to be the 12th man. next year i expect everyone there and no dallas fans in the crowd! haha, jk
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