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Old 12-27-2004, 07:14 PM   #76
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one of the main reasons the skins could'nt win this year was their lack of one of the game's fundamentals,catching the ball.i can't tell you, and if you have watched the games you know,how many dropped passes the skins have had this year.and there have also been a huge amount of overthrows,and the whole team just has'nt had that killer instint late in the 4th quarter when they needed it most.hey,that's my 2cents worth.
Hey bigred! We're not supposed to talk about the lack of execution on here....its more acceptable for us to blame Joe Gibbs for everything and to crucify him, otherwise we will be blamed for being mindless sheep that will follow Gibbs around pointlessly.
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:51 PM   #77
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We had a total of one catchable pass dropped last game. It ended up being an interception. That's NOT exactly an excuse. Earlier in the year the WRs had some bad drops. However most of them they had to re-adjust to Ramsey again. A different velocity on the ball and both receivers told the WP that catching a right handers ball is different than a lefthanders. Adjustments were made and they seem to be about on par with other WR combos in the league as far as dropped passes.

The TEAM hasn't had a killer instinct? I know that screenpass is often the finishing blow to a defense, but how can you say the team hasn't had killer instinct. The playcalling has been so weak it's ridiculous. One first down to ice the game, we don't even attempt it. What's the difference between them having 2:30 left and 1 timeout and 2:30 left and none. Very little. Especially if we get a first down where we can just about seal the deal.

skinsguy: It seems many people on this board are such fanboys they absolutely refuse to think that what Gibbs is doing isn't working. Brian Mitchell, a former player, has put the blame square on Gibbs for several games. Along with other ex-players on the comcast post-game show. I didn't see their thoughts this week. So obviously it's not just those of us on the board thinking that. It's people who played the game at a pro level, and with Joe Gibbs. Please, remove the wool from your eyes.

It's not 100% his fault. I'd say 85% of it goes on the coach. Just like you said Spurriers problems were because of his coaching skills, Gibbs is failing on his side of the ball. While Spurrier didn't light up the score board on a consistant basis, he certainly got a lot less support from the defense.
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Old 12-28-2004, 08:47 AM   #78
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85% on the coach? So what are the players, just pawns or robots that the coaches have complete control over?

Gibbs has made his share of mistakes this year, but the coach can't be held responsible for dropped passes, poorly executed plays, dumb mental mistakes, etc. At some point the players have to shoulder some blame too. So I guess if Gibbs is getting 85% of the blame that only leaves 15% on the players? I think that's letting them off the hook way too easily.

Maybe I'm a fanboy for believing in a coach who brought this team 3 Championships, but at least there's some merit there. What can be said of fanboys who follow a coach who bombed in his 2 years in the NFL with a 12-20 record??

Yeah this year has been a disappointment, but the one huge difference between this year and the last 2 years is Gibbs has the players believing and sticking together despite the tough times. We're not hearing of guys skipping out on practices, cell phones ringing in meetings, guys questioning the system, etc. Guys have bought in despite the record, that's pretty significant.

Ramsey's quote in the WP says a lot to me:

Washington has allowed eight fewer sacks than last year with one game to play, but has been weaker both running and passing the ball.

"But it's a new system and that was our second year in that system last year. I know it doesn't seem logical, but I really feel good about our future."
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:09 AM   #79
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Are we seriously going back to comparing Spurrier to Gibbs?


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Old 12-28-2004, 11:08 AM   #80
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The same Patrick Ramsey that will give that type of quote when he's on crutches from being pummeled for a season? He doesn't have the ball long enough to get sacked this year, he's too busy running a screen pass.

Hey Matty, maybe my coach didn't have a winning record, but yours is 5 and 10 right now wirh a .333 winning percentage in the new NFL, where mine has a .375! Both coaches don't control the defense, Gibbs was smart and went out and got a great coordinator. Without his defense we'd be fighting San Fransisco for the first pick of the draft.

As I remember, the team didn't really fall apart till the second year, so if we have another pathetic year, I wouldn't be suprised to see some fallout come from Redskins park. These are the same players that did that bullshit, and it's not past them. Spurrier treated them like men - wrongly so.

Dropped passes - concentration error. The Seahawks coaching staff worked with their players by writing numbers on the balls that the receivers had to yell out before it got there. Forcing them to concentrate. Their drops have been better since. Dumb mental mistakes accounts for less than 15% of our failures, as do poorly executed plays. I'm sorry, but many of the "poorly executed plays" are the seldom long balls we throw because we don't give our offense a chance to get into a rythm. A short pass can only be executed so well. If the receiver catches the ball, I consider it executed. I feel it's foolish to think that all you have to do is execute. You act like the defense is a robot that if everything is where it's supposed to do puts the Redskins in the endzone. Opposing defenses own Gibbs, much like they owned Spurrier, but at least we averaged 18.6 points.
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:26 AM   #81
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.375 to .333, now there's something to hang your hat on!

Has it ever occured to you that the ultra-conservative scheme Gibbs is running is due to him shaping the scheme around the players and what he thinks they are capable of? The pass protection just hasn't been there to get the deep passing game going. Earlier in the year Brunell was taking very deep drops, but if you notice now Ramsey is taking a lot of 3 and 5 step drops to get the ball out quicker.

I guess Gibbs should just force the square peg in the circle hole and keep calling 7 step drops and deep passes and let Ramsey get killed like what happened last year. If that's what it takes to get to that magical .375 winning percentage I don't know what's holding him back.
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