Redskins ready to $pend?

Player_HTTR · 07-15-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

I just hope the FO is sticking to thier guns. With a report like this, one is to believe Cerrato and "Snyder" are still running things.

Help me undertsand this, I think I am missing something.

Here is my understanding of the situation. We HAVE to spend 90% of 120M and are 30-40M away from doing that next year. While I would like to see it spent wisely I think our FO set us up well to fill needs this year.

I may have just misunderstood the point being made though with all the goings-on in this thread so sorry in advance if thats the case.

Alvin Walton · 07-15-2011, 01:36 PM

There's a much easier way to do this without going thru the painfulness of mailing in the whole season.
We just wait until team X drafts Luck and then trade our next five first rounders for him.

skinster · 07-15-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

A) You are on a Redskins fan site explicitly hoping that the Redskins will lose and animosity arises. Logic would have predicted such a negative response.

B) As indicated before, your Suck for Luck "logic" only works if Luck is our ONLY bet, not if he is our BEST bet. "Best bet" opens the door to other options besides sucking.

A) Yea I probably should have predicted it. But I'm entitled to my opinion, which I feel has enough merit that it shouldn't be dismissed as straight up wrong by anyone.

B) Wrong. Let me rephrase. Significantly our best bet. There are always options to get a franchise qb. You can hope that there will be another option that even has possibility of panning out, you can hope that next option will be available when we pick, you can hope that that the other option we draft pans out. That's just too much hope and luck (once again no pun intended) for me to be comfortable with. I like to go with what we know is tangible.

Also please stop using the word logic. Its really not even deniable that what I'm saying is true, that the higher the picks we have the better odds we have of getting what we need to become contenders. You really can't deny that the higher draft picks you have one year, the better odds you have at winning in the future.
And to clarify (because according to you, logic predicts this statement to be ripped apart), I'm not saying that fans should undoubtedly support this sentiment. I realize that most fans want to win in the here and now and root for a victory every game no matter what. They are completely entitled to feel that way, but I am not talking about supporting the sentiment that has been labeled "suck for luck." I'm simply stating the truth that higher draft picks yield higher odds of succeeding in the future. I'm going to add on that it is the undeniable truth that a franchise qb significantly improves your team (I'd say it is necessary to win a superbowl, but that is not undeniable truth). I'm also going to add that it is the undeniable truth that the higher you pick, the SIGNIFICANTLY better odds you have at landing a franchise qb.
Honestly if you deny any of those undeniable truths, you lose all credibility of football knowledge with me (unless you have hard statistics to back your claims up...I know I have many to back mine up, but if I'm overlooking something, be my guest to show me wrong).

Ruhskins · 07-15-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

Help me undertsand this, I think I am missing something.

Here is my understanding of the situation. We HAVE to spend 90% of 120M and are 30-40M away from doing that next year. While I would like to see it spent wisely I think our FO set us up well to fill needs this year.

I may have just misunderstood the point being made though with all the goings-on in this thread so sorry in advance if thats the case.

I think the concern that some people might have, is that this will lead to our old ways of buying a fantasy football team since we have money to spend.

However, I am not too concerned, because I think last year (outside of the McNabb fiasco) the FO office did a pretty good job with the contracts given to free agents and not overpaying for them (I know McNabb was not acquired as a FA, but I think giving up those picks was paying too much to get him). Also, it is my understanding that the contract given to OJ Atogwe was pretty reasonable. I do think the FO will continue to be disciplined in their FA acquisitions and how much they will pay them.

SmootSmack · 07-15-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ouch. SS's super sleuth abilities come through again.

He's had nothing to say about interestingly enough

Mattyk · 07-15-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He's had nothing to say about interestingly enough

I believe that's what he would call predictable.

skinster · 07-15-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ouch. SS's super sleuth abilities come through again.

lol. musta taken you a while to find that one. I had no idea it was there. That was long enough ago that I didn't learn to clarify my sentiments. I don't remember writing that, but I do know my own thoughts/beliefs and I'm sure I was more focusing on the fact that it is in the best interest of our franchise to get luck. Just like the best thing that ever happened to the colts was when they had they took Manning, just like when the best thing that ever happened to the cowboys was when they took Aikman, just like the best thing that ever happened to the broncos was when they got Elway.

I know I also believe that no coach will lose on purpose, and no players will ever lose on purpose. I recognize that the organization will never tank for luck. But saying that, I also see how the best thing that happened for the franchises above was getting their guy, and the best thing that can happen to us is to get ours. Long term as an organization, it is in the best interest of the franchise.

Everyone will kill me for saying this, but I've had a slight change of heart of my previous statements written on this site. It just occurred within the last 10 mins upon learning the new free agency rules where dead cap money doesn't count. I think that these new rules make it more realistic to possibly build a superteam, and gives other realistic options besides just having that one stud qb to winning a superbowl (though the stud qb is still the best strategy IMO, I think that it is not the only option, and I believe there will be easier ways of attaining that stud qb than just having a high draft pick).

That last paragraph I'll take back if I find out any more info about dead cap regulations, but from my understanding now there are no limitations to dead cap, there isn't a limit to bonus money that can be dealt out, and contracts are still able to be restructured

skinster · 07-15-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I believe that's what he would call predictable.

lol so much hate.

theJBexperience · 07-15-2011, 04:52 PM

Glad we can soon start spending. Really hoping Santonio isn't our main objective, especially since we could've had him for a fifth rounder last year and maybe we wouldn't have stunk so bad.

SmootSmack · 07-15-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

lol. musta taken you a while to find that one. I had no idea it was there. That was long enough ago that I didn't learn to clarify my sentiments. I don't remember writing that, but I do know my own thoughts/beliefs and I'm sure I was more focusing on the fact that it is in the best interest of our franchise to get luck. Just like the best thing that ever happened to the colts was when they had they took Manning, just like when the best thing that ever happened to the cowboys was when they took Aikman, just like the best thing that ever happened to the broncos was when they got Elway.

I know I also believe that no coach will lose on purpose, and no players will ever lose on purpose. I recognize that the organization will never tank for luck. But saying that, I also see how the best thing that happened for the franchises above was getting their guy, and the best thing that can happen to us is to get ours. Long term as an organization, it is in the best interest of the franchise.

Everyone will kill me for saying this, but I've had a slight change of heart of my previous statements written on this site. It just occurred within the last 10 mins upon learning the new free agency rules where dead cap money doesn't count. I think that these new rules make it more realistic to possibly build a superteam, and gives other realistic options besides just having that one stud qb to winning a superbowl (though the stud qb is still the best strategy IMO, I think that it is not the only option, and I believe there will be easier ways of attaining that stud qb than just having a high draft pick).

That last paragraph I'll take back if I find out any more info about dead cap regulations, but from my understanding now there are no limitations to dead cap, there isn't a limit to bonus money that can be dealt out, and contracts are still able to be restructured

Took less than a minute to find

tryfuhl · 07-16-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by skinster

A) Yea I probably should have predicted it. But I'm entitled to my opinion, which I feel has enough merit that it shouldn't be dismissed as straight up wrong by anyone.

B) Wrong. Let me rephrase. Significantly our best bet. There are always options to get a franchise qb. You can hope that there will be another option that even has possibility of panning out, you can hope that next option will be available when we pick, you can hope that that the other option we draft pans out. That's just too much hope and luck (once again no pun intended) for me to be comfortable with. I like to go with what we know is tangible.

Also please stop using the word logic. Its really not even deniable that what I'm saying is true, that the higher the picks we have the better odds we have of getting what we need to become contenders. You really can't deny that the higher draft picks you have one year, the better odds you have at winning in the future.
And to clarify (because according to you, logic predicts this statement to be ripped apart), I'm not saying that fans should undoubtedly support this sentiment. I realize that most fans want to win in the here and now and root for a victory every game no matter what. They are completely entitled to feel that way, but I am not talking about supporting the sentiment that has been labeled "suck for luck." I'm simply stating the truth that higher draft picks yield higher odds of succeeding in the future. I'm going to add on that it is the undeniable truth that a franchise qb significantly improves your team (I'd say it is necessary to win a superbowl, but that is not undeniable truth). I'm also going to add that it is the undeniable truth that the higher you pick, the SIGNIFICANTLY better odds you have at landing a franchise qb.
Honestly if you deny any of those undeniable truths, you lose all credibility of football knowledge with me (unless you have hard statistics to back your claims up...I know I have many to back mine up, but if I'm overlooking something, be my guest to show me wrong).

One might think it were easier to predict feedback on an opinion than franchise QBs

tell me why the worst teams always have high picks and the winning teams don't...

cuz of ONE magical pick that made the rest of the years' picks null/void?

skinsfaninok · 07-16-2011, 08:24 AM

So TB has 60M to spend, how much do we have to spend? Sorry if someone already posted it

Hog1 · 07-16-2011, 10:36 AM

It was stated earlier in.........somewhere that we had 45m WE HAD to spend. NO idea as to the accuracy of the figure and with that sort of reliable audit trail......well

Mattyk · 07-16-2011, 10:50 AM

ProFootballWeekly.com - Redskins might be more measured than expected

SmootSmack · 07-16-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

It was stated earlier in.........somewhere that we had 45m WE HAD to spend. NO idea as to the accuracy of the figure and with that sort of reliable audit trail......well

Everywhere I've heard says we have 26 million to spend. That's not including figuring out what to do with McNabb/Haynesworth

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