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Old 07-14-2011, 09:24 AM   #61
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If it was ever confirmed that we mailed in an entire season we would be epically and eternally the laughing stock of the NFL.
There would be no hiding from the jokes and scorn.
It would be a huge black eye for the Redskins that they would have to wear for the rest of eternity.
Not to mention the legality of it.
We would be basically throwing all our games.
I think Roger Goodell would mightily frown on this.
And how ironic would it be that he fined us our next years first round pick if this happened.

It would suck to try to suck for Luck.
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:27 AM   #62
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Is this STILL the cowardly, underhanded, craven, sniveling....talk of ...tanking the season?
Did Vince McMahon replace Goodell???
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:34 AM   #63
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Logic dictates that tanking just to get Andrew Luck would make your team worse in the long run, not better.

No professional football player wants to lose, and if the coach purposely tanks the season then it becomes clear to the players that he thinks the group as currently constructed won't get it done. They'll become disgruntled, go to the media, bitch and moan, and many will leave. Losing on purpose would create such a divide that Shanahan would never be able regain control of the locker room. He'd have to be fired.

It's a ridiculous idea that shows very little understanding of human nature.
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:54 AM   #64
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You said you were logical. I gave you logic. Please embrace my logic since you are so logical.

BTW you did not offer logic in return. Not only is your formula not a syllogism, but your formula breaks down with C. Luck may (or may not) be the best candidate, but since by your own admission there are other candidates, we not not HAVE TO suck for Luck. By your own attempt at logic, the Suck for Luck campaign is revealed as illogical.
I really hope your joking on so many levels.

And I hope your happy averaging 7-9 for the next decade, having two playoff appearances where nobody respects us as contenders and we get bounced in the first round.
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:56 AM   #65
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Luck is no lottery ticket for greatness. There will be other very talented QBs coming out as well.
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You said you were logical. I gave you logic. Please embrace my logic since you are so logical.

BTW you did not offer logic in return. Not only is your formula not a syllogism, but your formula breaks down with C. Luck may (or may not) be the best candidate, but since by your own admission there are other candidates, we not not HAVE TO suck for Luck. By your own attempt at logic, the Suck for Luck campaign is revealed as illogical.
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I really hope your joking on so many levels.

And I hope your happy averaging 7-9 for the next decade, having two playoff appearances where nobody respects us as contenders and we get bounced in the first round.
So if we don't get Luck, we're doomed to mediocrity? Luck is our only ticket to "contenderhood"? Sorry, I don't believe that.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:22 AM   #68
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I really hope your joking on so many levels.

And I hope your happy averaging 7-9 for the next decade, having two playoff appearances where nobody respects us as contenders and we get bounced in the first round.
I was not joking, I was logical.

It appears that you like logic until it makes your position look bad. When logic makes your position untenable, you ditch it.
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Thank you Spock.
I remembered Spock as I wrote that.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:55 AM   #70
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I was not joking, I was logical.

It appears that you like logic until it makes your position look bad. When logic makes your position untenable, you ditch it.
Or either you are oblivious to everyone else's comments except your own. Nothing is impossible in this league. You have no way of saying with absolute certainty that Beck could not take us to the super bowl. Football is a team sport. Yes the quarterback is important but how many teams have made it deep in the playoffs and even won the super bowl without a franchise QB, and by using a strong defense to get them there?

I guess in the end nothing anyone can say can sway you to your opinion, which you are legitimately entitled to have. However, you are outnumbered greatly in opinion, which most definitely counts for something. I know there is not a whole lot to talk about during the lockout, but this constant back and forth bickering is growing tiresome. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? Unless, of course, everyone else on here enjoys reading these parlays, then I yield of course.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:17 AM   #71
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Or either you are oblivious to everyone else's comments except your own. Nothing is impossible in this league. You have no way of saying with absolute certainty that Beck could not take us to the super bowl. Football is a team sport. Yes the quarterback is important but how many teams have made it deep in the playoffs and even won the super bowl without a franchise QB, and by using a strong defense to get them there?

I guess in the end nothing anyone can say can sway you to your opinion, which you are legitimately entitled to have. However, you are outnumbered greatly in opinion, which most definitely counts for something. I know there is not a whole lot to talk about during the lockout, but this constant back and forth bickering is growing tiresome. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? Unless, of course, everyone else on here enjoys reading these parlays, then I yield of course.
Did you mean to quote me? I have unflinchingly argued against Suck for Luck. I think we are on the same side on this one.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:55 AM   #72
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Re: Redskins ready to $pend?

I just caught the Football Today podcast on ESPN and Matt Williamson talked about the Redskins. Just thought people here would be interested:

Football Today: 7/14 - ESPN
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:46 PM   #73
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So if we don't get Luck, we're doomed to mediocrity? Luck is our only ticket to "contenderhood"? Sorry, I don't believe that.
1. A franchise qb is our only ticket to contederhood. Not just anybody is capable this status, you can't just developed anybody, these players have it the capability (intangibles included) or they don't.

2. Franchise qb's are very hard to find, and there are very true franchise qbs capable of producing a winning team year in and year out.

3. It is even more rare that a once in a generation talent is coming out of college. A guy that is almost guaranteed to be a true franchise qb is even more rare. Luck isn't just any qb we're gambling on, he's practically a shoe in to lead us to success as long as he is at the helm.

4. A few predictable franchise qb's get drafted late (aaron rodgers, drew brees), but that is a rarity and we can't wait around forever and hope for one of these guys to slip to us (look at 2nd round and late 1st round qbs drafted in the last 15 years, most of these guys slip for a reason, they have a very low hit rate)

5. Please don't mention Tom Brady, that is luck, it could happen to us that we get a franchise qb later, but it is unlikely and it is never good to rely on luck (please don't mention the pun).

6. Please don't mention Warner/favre/any other free agent vet that has had success and could have won a superbowl. It is better to have a shot every year for 10 years than have a window of 2 (look at where the cardinals and vikings are now). Plus it is rare to find one of these guys.

Luck is almost a sure thing. If you have a bank account of 10,000 dollars and there was a magic machine that you could give 10,000 dollars to today and you'd have a 90% chance of the machine giving you 50,000 dollars every year for 10 years, would you do it? I ****in would. Yea your year will suck, but your life will be much better for it. (I can't wait for people to make fun of this metaphor. Say what you want, as cheesy as it seems, it makes sense.)
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:52 PM   #74
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I just caught the Football Today podcast on ESPN and Matt Williamson talked about the Redskins. Just thought people here would be interested:

Football Today: 7/14 - ESPN
EYE am interested.......good stuff! Listening now
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:02 PM   #75
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Or either you are oblivious to everyone else's comments except your own. Nothing is impossible in this league. You have no way of saying with absolute certainty that Beck could not take us to the super bowl. Football is a team sport. Yes the quarterback is important but how many teams have made it deep in the playoffs and even won the super bowl without a franchise QB, and by using a strong defense to get them there?

I guess in the end nothing anyone can say can sway you to your opinion, which you are legitimately entitled to have. However, you are outnumbered greatly in opinion, which most definitely counts for something. I know there is not a whole lot to talk about during the lockout, but this constant back and forth bickering is growing tiresome. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? Unless, of course, everyone else on here enjoys reading these parlays, then I yield of course.
I am 21 years old, and since the year I was born in 1989, there have been 22 superbowls. 3 have been won with teams that didn't have a franchise qb, the ravens (dilfer-barely made the playoffs in a weak year, beat a weak team in the sb, and had statistically the greatest defense of all time), bucs (johnson-who was a pro bowler, and had one of the best defenses of all time), and redskins (rypien in the strike year).

More importantly in the last few years, it has become increasingly important to have a qb. With rule changes (physical rules and emphasis of enforcement of rules) that make the game more offensive, as well as the advancement and development of the strategy of the game, within the last 5 years a franchise qb has become more relevant than ever before.

Warren Sapp, a member of one of the 3 outliers I mentioned, said on NFLN that offense is more important than defense, and that a qb is what wins a superbowl.
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