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Old 07-14-2011, 01:05 PM   #76
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I would love to have luck. It would be a terrific future for us. But i would not say by any means that the Redskins future hinges upon one college student. For all we know, Landry Jones or Matt Barkley could be even better. IMO we have utilized this off-season to get young, talented depth, something that has been missing for years now, back to when Joe Gibbs II was in charge.

Our defense is a few pieces away at worst right now, as we have two good OLB's, and have strengthened our defensive linemen. If we add Kris or Cullen Jenkins like rumors are saying, the front 7 goes from a blatant flaw to a talented group with promising upside. Adding OJ Atogwe will do wonders for our secondary, as Landry now has less pressure to make every play. He moves back to SS where he is comfortable and can build on last seasons progress. If all goes well, our only defensive needs next year are ILB and a CB.

On the offensive side, adding Santanio Holmes could be a very big pick-up. He is similar to Santana Moss, but a few years younger, so that he will be around while we start to improve. He and Hankerson could form a really strong combination with Armstrong in the Slot. Cooley and Davis can still contribute largely for this offense. Torain and Helu should form a nice duo of speed and power, like the Giants Jacobs and Bradshaw, and neither are very expensive or old. Parts of the line will still need repair, which can be done over FA these next two years. If all goes well, we can draft our QB of the future some time in the first round next year.

If all goes well, after next year, with the addition of our new QB of the future, I could see us having a 08 Falcons/Ravens or 09 Jets season, with a playoff berth.
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I was not joking, I was logical.

It appears that you like logic until it makes your position look bad. When logic makes your position untenable, you ditch it.
I really don't know how to respond to that. I don't think your as familiar with logic as you think. Both of your examples had so many holes in them its ridiculous. Also logic isn't tied down to your middle/high school geometry teachings, it gets more complex than that.

For the record, I still think you were joking, there is no way anyone who knows what a syllogism is can fail so badly at their attempts at a modus ponen and a modus tollen.
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I would love to have luck. It would be a terrific future for us. But i would not say by any means that the Redskins future hinges upon one college student. For all we know, Landry Jones or Matt Barkley could be even better. IMO we have utilized this off-season to get young, talented depth, something that has been missing for years now, back to when Joe Gibbs II was in charge.

Our defense is a few pieces away at worst right now, as we have two good OLB's, and have strengthened our defensive linemen. If we add Kris or Cullen Jenkins like rumors are saying, the front 7 goes from a blatant flaw to a talented group with promising upside. Adding OJ Atogwe will do wonders for our secondary, as Landry now has less pressure to make every play. He moves back to SS where he is comfortable and can build on last seasons progress. If all goes well, our only defensive needs next year are ILB and a CB.

On the offensive side, adding Santanio Holmes could be a very big pick-up. He is similar to Santana Moss, but a few years younger, so that he will be around while we start to improve. He and Hankerson could form a really strong combination with Armstrong in the Slot. Cooley and Davis can still contribute largely for this offense. Torain and Helu should form a nice duo of speed and power, like the Giants Jacobs and Bradshaw, and neither are very expensive or old. Parts of the line will still need repair, which can be done over FA these next two years. If all goes well, we can draft our QB of the future some time in the first round next year.

If all goes well, after next year, with the addition of our new QB of the future, I could see us having a 08 Falcons/Ravens or 09 Jets season, with a playoff berth.
For all we know, Danny Obrian is the best nfl qb of all time. Its best to go with the odds. The odds say Luck is where its at. And Barkley probably isn't going to come out next year. I doubt he wants to compete against Luck for the number 1 spot.
Also for the record (a side argument that I'm not going to get into, I'll just post links to what I've said previously if you disagree), I don't believe Flacco or Sanchez are truly franchise qbs. Maxing out at getting to the playoffs on strong defense isn't what I have in mind for our team. Offense wins superbowls, and in todays nfl, an offense is no better than its qb that's leading it. (I don't see Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, MJD, Larry Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, etc... leading any high powered offenses. ) I think Phillip rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, (younger) Donovan McNabb, (and I'd argue Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Big Ben have accomplished this when their teams have injuries, but I don't want to get into that) have proven that all you need is a QB and your offense will always be capable of producing.
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Old 07-14-2011, 02:14 PM   #79
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So...back to free agency. I think I agree with Matt Williamson about our defense. We could be a few moves away from having a really good defense. Hopefully the team has been able to learn the new scheme well, and I think it would be great to bring a couple of more veterans who have 3-4 experience.

Also, I do agree with what he said about Shanahan needing to work his offensive coaching magic with the offense, since it is not the most talented group. I think there are a few players in free agency that are worth spending a ton of money on, so he needs to work with what he has.
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Old 07-14-2011, 02:26 PM   #80
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I really don't know how to respond to that. I don't think your as familiar with logic as you think. Both of your examples had so many holes in them its ridiculous. Also logic isn't tied down to your middle/high school geometry teachings, it gets more complex than that.

For the record, I still think you were joking, there is no way anyone who knows what a syllogism is can fail so badly at their attempts at a modus ponen and a modus tollen.
There is nothing wrong with my logic. You just don't like the results.

You continue to confuse two different propositions:
A) That Luck is the best choice for a franchise QB in next year's class
and
B) Getting Luck is the only way for us to win

These are two different propositions which should not be confused in the way that you confuse them.

I'm done with this issue.
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Old 07-14-2011, 02:30 PM   #81
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I am 21 years old, and since the year I was born in 1989, there have been 22 superbowls. 3 have been won with teams that didn't have a franchise qb, the ravens (dilfer-barely made the playoffs in a weak year, beat a weak team in the sb, and had statistically the greatest defense of all time), bucs (johnson-who was a pro bowler, and had one of the best defenses of all time), and redskins (rypien in the strike year).

More importantly in the last few years, it has become increasingly important to have a qb. With rule changes (physical rules and emphasis of enforcement of rules) that make the game more offensive, as well as the advancement and development of the strategy of the game, within the last 5 years a franchise qb has become more relevant than ever before.

Warren Sapp, a member of one of the 3 outliers I mentioned, said on NFLN that offense is more important than defense, and that a qb is what wins a superbowl.
OF those franchise QB's...........how many were drafted as such?
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1991 wasn't a strike year.
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Old 07-14-2011, 02:39 PM   #83
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Interesting article about a how it would work out (or not) if the Redskins were to get Nnamdi...

Will the Redskins reel in Nnamdi?
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:45 PM   #84
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Ok so if we get the Jenkins brothers and start Jarvis Jenkins what shall we call our D-Line the Jenkins Jihad. The Jenkins Platoon. Anyone else have any ideas
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Ok so if we get the Jenkins brothers and start Jarvis Jenkins what shall we call our D-Line the Jenkins Jihad. The Jenkins Platoon. Anyone else have any ideas
The Jenkins Wall, with Adam Carriker as honorary member.
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Ok so if we get the Jenkins brothers and start Jarvis Jenkins what shall we call our D-Line the Jenkins Jihad. The Jenkins Platoon. Anyone else have any ideas
Jenkins Juggernaut.
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:23 PM   #87
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Jenkins Wall sounds bad cause just a few years ago the Williams Wall was super dominant. I do like juggernaut and Jihad
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I just want to say that I am a logical person, and a fan of the tank for luck strategy. However, I am red in the face with excitement right now about all the free agents we are looking to pick up. The fan in me is overtaking what I know is in the best longterm interest of our team and is totally on board with buying every free agent mentioned. I wonder how long my excitement will last? I'll probably complain about how this was the dumbest thing we could possibly do at the end of the season (which it probably is) but I'm just so excited to see us (hopefully) signing all these guys. My emotions are taking over my better thinking.
I'd be so happy if I never had to hear this again. Not only do you not guarantee yourself getting him but it would put a huge black mark on the sport and especially the franchise. How do you tell 53 guys that we need to lose for the potential of getting 1 guy? Or do you not tell them, just use them incorrectly and lose the entire locker room?

Then you get all giddy about potential free agent signings. Danny, is that you?
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Lol, I'd say throwing away one season for 10 years of greatness is a pretty logical move.

Its like so many other things in life, alot of the time to get to where you want to be, you have to go through some hard times and do things you don't want to do, but you do that because you know it is in your best interest overall.

I wish we could look into the future 13 years down the road so you can see how beneficial to all redskins fans getting luck (without trading up) would be. Then you wouldn't give two shits that we had that one bad season because the last 10 were amazing.

You think the colts fans would have preferred to do better in 97 and not get manning? Don't think so. And if in 7 years if I ask whoever gets luck in the 2012 draft if they could go back in time and do better in 2011, would they?, they would slap me silly for asking such a stupid question.
You can't guarantee greatness. Luck could get hurt this year... or in any year in the NFL. And will still need a good team to be built around him.
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