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Old 07-14-2011, 05:41 PM   #91
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4. A few predictable franchise qb's get drafted late (aaron rodgers, drew brees), but that is a rarity and we can't wait around forever and hope for one of these guys to slip to us (look at 2nd round and late 1st round qbs drafted in the last 15 years, most of these guys slip for a reason, they have a very low hit rate)
How were Rodgers and Brees predictable? Especially Brees...
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How were Rodgers and Brees predictable? Especially Brees...
If you draft a guy 33, there is enough talent to predict he will be good. Rodgers went 24. Like if Dalton pans out, that is predictable. Maybe not very predictable, but if the bengals didn't view it as a real possibility that he can be a franchise qb, they wouldn't have drafted him that high. And I know there are analysts and scouts that predict him to be a franchise qb, and go significantly higher than he did.

To clarify, I'm not saying that we should have seen Rodgers or Brees pan out as they did, but rather I'm saying that it was simply predictable by someone. The packers predicted Rodgers for sure, and I didn't follow football back in 2000 but I'm sure a percentage of scouts/analysts were able to predict Brees as a franchise qb with him going at 33.

Nobody predicted Brady being that good. If someone thought it was even a possibility there is no shot he escapes the third, or fourth, or fifth, or most of the 6th.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:30 PM   #93
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Aren't all QB's essentially predictable? I mean they say a few numbers, words, and colors, then have the ball handed to them, and they step backwards a few steps, then they either hand the ball to someone else or they decide to toss it up for grabs. The main goal is to keep getting 1st downs in order to keep the ball so they can move the ball the length of the field and hopefully score.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:34 PM   #94
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You can't guarantee greatness. Luck could get hurt this year... or in any year in the NFL. And will still need a good team to be built around him.
I can't guarantee greatness, but I can put very high odds on it. Yes we need a good team around him, but lets get real, plug rex grossman in on the colts and are they going to do much better than we just did last year? QB is SO huge.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:36 PM   #95
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I'd be so happy if I never had to hear this again. Not only do you not guarantee yourself getting him but it would put a huge black mark on the sport and especially the franchise. How do you tell 53 guys that we need to lose for the potential of getting 1 guy? Or do you not tell them, just use them incorrectly and lose the entire locker room?

Then you get all giddy about potential free agent signings. Danny, is that you?
lol I'm sorry, my brain conflicts with my heart. My brain tells me that the best thing to do for our franchise would be to get luck. My heart wants to sign every high profile free agent and at least have more hope that we win now.
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There is nothing wrong with my logic. You just don't like the results.

You continue to confuse two different propositions:
A) That Luck is the best choice for a franchise QB in next year's class
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B) Getting Luck is the only way for us to win

These are two different propositions which should not be confused in the way that you confuse them.

I'm done with this issue.

lolzies. i wish i had the time to correct you. I already waste so much of it on this site, but to dissect what you've been saying would take wayyyyyy too long. I guess were both done with the issue.
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1991 wasn't a strike year.
hmmm, coulda sworn my dad told me rypien won in a strike year. I guess I should have double checked that. My mistake.
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lolzies. i wish i had the time to correct you. I already waste so much of it on this site, but to dissect what you've been saying would take wayyyyyy too long. I guess were both done with the issue.
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Didn't we all have the world figured out at 21?! For realz

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didn't we all have the world figured out at 21?! for realz

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lol hey there, there are some people on here who's early 20's.. I'm 22 and I don't think tanking the season for Luck is the way to go. Everyone have their own opinions of dealing with a team, we just cannot agree on everything together forever.
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1. A franchise qb is our only ticket to contederhood. Not just anybody is capable this status, you can't just developed anybody, these players have it the capability (intangibles included) or they don't.
"Franchise QB" is an amorphous term. But I grant you that a top flite QB is a guarrantee of conterderhood. I disagree that you need a P. Manning to win it all. With a solid team, a B. Roethlisberger, Matt Schaub or a J. Flacco will do.

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2. Franchise qb's are very hard to find, and there are very true franchise qbs capable of producing a winning team year in and year out.
Okay, I am with you. QB's who lift mediocre teams and turn them, a' la P. Manning, into great teams are rare. However, very good QB's who can make super bowl contenders out of good teams, a' la Aaron Rogers or B. Rothlesburger, are less rare.

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3. It is even more rare that a once in a generation talent is coming out of college. A guy that is almost guaranteed to be a true franchise qb is even more rare. Luck isn't just any qb we're gambling on, he's practically a shoe in to lead us to success as long as he is at the helm.
The only two in that fit this, that I can think of, are Elway and Manning. Even Manning was not thought to be a "guarrantee" at the time - his arm strength and "upside" were questioned. Given the number of "sure things" who have failed to pan out, I disagree with your assumption that any QB can be "almost guarranteed". As I said, who, other than Elway do you consider an almost guarrantee? Remember, in the year Elway was drafted number 1, Dan Marino was drafted 27 and Jim Kelly at 14. (Look at that, Hall of Famers for teams that didn't tank.)

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4. A few predictable franchise qb's get drafted late (aaron rodgers, drew brees), but that is a rarity and we can't wait around forever and hope for one of these guys to slip to us (look at 2nd round and late 1st round qbs drafted in the last 15 years, most of these guys slip for a reason, they have a very low hit rate).
The hit rate on highly drafted QB's is not particurlary great either. In the last 10 years, QB's in the number 1 slot: Alex Smith, Tim Couch, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell misses. Palmer, Vick, E. Manning hits. With the jury out on Stafford and Bradford (both likely hits with the injuries being a question for Stafford). First pick QB's are simply not a given no matter how highly rated out of college.

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5. Please don't mention Tom Brady, that is luck, it could happen to us that we get a franchise qb later, but it is unlikely and it is never good to rely on luck (please don't mention the pun).).
How about I mention Carr, Couch, Russell, V. Young, Matt Lienhardt, Harrington as high pick/highly rated QB's who failed and Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Sanchez as non-first-pick QB's of contending teams.

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6. Please don't mention Warner/favre/any other free agent vet that has had success and could have won a superbowl. It is better to have a shot every year for 10 years than have a window of 2 (look at where the cardinals and vikings are now). Plus it is rare to find one of these guys).
So, in essence, please don't highlight anyone who might sabotage your "Suck for Luck" campaign or highlight how you have reached your conclusion and will only accept facts which agree with your hypothesis.

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Luck is almost a sure thing. If you have a bank account of 10,000 dollars and there was a magic machine that you could give 10,000 dollars to today and you'd have a 90% chance of the machine giving you 50,000 dollars every year for 10 years, would you do it? I ****in would. Yea your year will suck, but your life will be much better for it. (I can't wait for people to make fun of this metaphor. Say what you want, as cheesy as it seems, it makes sense.)
Your flaw is the 90%. It's at best 50%. Sorry, 10 years from now, and in hindsight - as people do with P. Manning - it may seem like a no brainer. but this belief that Luck is a sure thing is so ludicrous that it is laughable. The linchpin of your entire argument is the "near" surety that Luck is a generational franchise QB. An argument so speculative and counter to historicial precedent as to beyond belief that a reasonable person could accept it. Let me use your analogy - If you had a 60/40 shot that if you put up your last 50K you would get a 100k/year return for 10 years but, if you miss, you and your family would be homeless for the next five years, would you take that risk? Not me bud.

Your analogy doesn't make sense, not b/c it is cheesy, but b/c it fails to take into account any of risk of failure, is unrealistic in its projected success, and ignores that you can achieve a similar level of success risk with a substantially lower level of failure risk.

Bottom line, your being obtuse.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:11 AM   #104
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If you draft a guy 33, there is enough talent to predict he will be good. Rodgers went 24. Like if Dalton pans out, that is predictable. Maybe not very predictable, but if the bengals didn't view it as a real possibility that he can be a franchise qb, they wouldn't have drafted him that high. And I know there are analysts and scouts that predict him to be a franchise qb, and go significantly higher than he did.

To clarify, I'm not saying that we should have seen Rodgers or Brees pan out as they did, but rather I'm saying that it was simply predictable by someone. The packers predicted Rodgers for sure, and I didn't follow football back in 2000 but I'm sure a percentage of scouts/analysts were able to predict Brees as a franchise qb with him going at 33.

Nobody predicted Brady being that good. If someone thought it was even a possibility there is no shot he escapes the third, or fourth, or fifth, or most of the 6th.
whats the excuse for all of the guys who didn't even become starters, much less winners?
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lol I'm sorry, my brain conflicts with my heart. My brain tells me that the best thing to do for our franchise would be to get luck. My heart wants to sign every high profile free agent and at least have more hope that we win now.
Congrats, you've spent a whole thread and have only identified a non-plan, and a bad plan. You're qualified to run for congress.
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