Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout

tryfuhl · 07-20-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

They combined for 98 catches last year. Are there many better duos out there?

maybe we are not looking at this in the same manner, when your tight end is the second most targeted player on the team and your second tight end has just over half the catches as a backup running back and only 1 more than your fullback that's not exactly a duo to me

skinsfan69 · 07-20-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Three years in, we've refused to feature both in the same offense. If we're not going to hire an offensive mind that can do with two tight ends what all other teams are doing, and if it's going to be one player burying the other, then just move one now.

I think it's patently ridiculous that no offensive mind has figured out how to use two TEs at the same time to maximize the talent on our roster, but I just don't see it being any different this year.

I don't know of any team that truly features two TE's. I can only think of NE that use a lot of 2 TE sets. It'd be nice to have them both on the field a little more, especially on 1st down. However in obvious passing situations, I'm not sure having both on the field would work.

skinsfan69 · 07-20-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd prefer to keep Cooley & Davis too. Seems that all we hear every offseason now is this silly trade Cooley talk. He's only 29 and still very productive, no reason why he can't keep playing at a high level for another 4-5 seasons. Keep them both, and find a way to get Davis more involved.

I agree. Gotta keep Cooley.

SkinzWin · 07-20-2011, 09:10 AM

Just because we actually have really good depth at one position is reason to get rid of one of the players? TE is always an area where you can use multiple guys on the field at the same time. Unless some other team makes a big trade offer for a high need area and wants Cooley I see no reason the Redskins should voluntarily try to trade him just for S&G's.

Mattyk · 07-20-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

maybe we are not looking at this in the same manner, when your tight end is the second most targeted player on the team and your second tight end has just over half the catches as a backup running back and only 1 more than your fullback that's not exactly a duo to me

Whatever you want to call it, I'm sure there aren't many teams out there that got more production last year from their TEs.

GTripp0012 · 07-20-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

They combined for 98 catches last year. Are there many better duos out there?

The Redskins lead the league in passing attempts. Cooley had a bad year overall, but I think he set a career high in receptions (maybe yards too?). It is what it is.

I don't think any team in the NFL is as deep 1-3 as the Redskins at TE, except perhaps the Titans, and they don't really have a clear number one. And the 2 TE formations were clearly up from 2008-2009. Problem is, it's a running formation for this Redskins team. That's not such a bad thing, IMO, but you could do exactly what we currently do with Davis and Logan Paulsen as the top two TEs, and have no production dropoff. Davis just steps into Cooley's role as the focal point of the passing attack, and the no. 2 TE remains largely ignored and gets pulled on third downs.

Which is really the biggest point of all. We could trade one or the other and still have a really good TE situation. But we're missing the obvious opportunity to excel at the position because of some weird ratio of attempts we're trying to have between Cooley and Davis.

tryfuhl · 07-20-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Whatever you want to call it, I'm sure there aren't many teams out there that got more production last year from their TEs.

You can say that for cooley vs most other te duos, doesn't mean that we're utilizing them properly or getting even near the most out of them, it's a waste of talent

Mattyk · 07-21-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

You can say that for cooley vs most other te duos, doesn't mean that we're utilizing them properly or getting even near the most out of them, it's a waste of talent

Probably just comes down to the coaches trust Cooley more. Davis is known to have some issues regarding work ethic and focus. So if we want to blame anyone blame Davis.

takethecake · 07-21-2011, 02:24 PM

I'm going to have to stick by the keep both Cooley and Davis train of thought:

A) Like others have said, TE isn't a hard position to fill for a lot of teams, thus, we would not be looking at getting a lot in return for either player.

B) Cooley is much more than just a skilled all-around TE. He's also a good leadership influence on this team. Maybe not a London Fletcher, but it's good to keep guys who have been with the team for 7+ years. Nobody seems to be taking that into their evaluations.

C) There's this thing called depth... just having one good player at a position doesn't always cut it

D) I really like that having both of them lets us exploit mismatches when one matches up better against a secondary than the other.

GTripp0012 · 07-21-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Probably just comes down to the coaches trust Cooley more. Davis is known to have some issues regarding work ethic and focus. So if we want to blame anyone blame Davis.

I don't doubt that they do, which is why it needs to be said that tight end is only a strength on this team in theory. If you're not going to use your top two tight ends like starters, then all you have is really nice depth. I am not going to hold Fred Davis accountable for clearly outshining the role on the depth chart he has been handed.

I have never been a "trade a TE" guy, and I don't even know if Cooley with grab a fourth round pick if put on the market (maybe with his contract he could get a conditional two), but its apparent that we're simply not going to maximize the value of having two starters at TE while Fred Davis is under contract. I think they like Fred Davis, but I don't know what the offensive coaching staff is going to look like in 2012, and I think that's going to be a big determinant in whether this is his last year as a Redskin.

And I think having depth, even at a position like TE, is highly underrated. Fans don't seem to know how to react when there's an overqualified vet buried at a position behind another vet. I think it's valuable for the football team. But it also means that we won't be extending the contract to pay above market rate for that depth.

NC_Skins · 07-21-2011, 07:08 PM

The reason for the "trade Cooley" cries is like any good business. You buy low, and sell high. The Patriots are the best at this. I think they are probably the only team that could get Randy Moss for a 4th rounder and turn around 2 years later and get a 3rd out of him. Seymour near the end of his career? Still got a first for him. That's smart business and it sets yourself up for the future. It's not about the move you make today, it's about the move you are going to make in 3 years.

Skins4L · 07-21-2011, 07:14 PM

LANDRY is a 100% keeper are you guys serious?? lol
COOLEY is our Franchise TE. Great locker room guy. Hes staying. Your crazy.

THIS TEAM NEEDS TALENT. We need to hold our best players... and add more talent. Bottom line.

Mattyk · 07-21-2011, 07:33 PM

I would lock up LL too.

NC_Skins · 07-21-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would lock up LL too.

After one year? Haven't we learned anything? He didn't even play the full season at that level either.

Mattyk · 07-21-2011, 07:40 PM

LL is a baller, not worried about him flopping.

07-20-2011, 09:10 AM	#34
SkinzWin Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,563	Re: Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout Just because we actually have really good depth at one position is reason to get rid of one of the players? TE is always an area where you can use multiple guys on the field at the same time. Unless some other team makes a big trade offer for a high need area and wants Cooley I see no reason the Redskins should voluntarily try to trade him just for S&G's. __________________ Sean Taylor #21 a Redskin forever... Draft winners, not stars. Hail to the Redskins Hail victory Braves on the warpath Block for RG3

07-21-2011, 02:24 PM	#39
takethecake Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Clarksville, MD Age: 24 Posts: 267	Re: Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout I'm going to have to stick by the keep both Cooley and Davis train of thought: A) Like others have said, TE isn't a hard position to fill for a lot of teams, thus, we would not be looking at getting a lot in return for either player. B) Cooley is much more than just a skilled all-around TE. He's also a good leadership influence on this team. Maybe not a London Fletcher, but it's good to keep guys who have been with the team for 7+ years. Nobody seems to be taking that into their evaluations. C) There's this thing called depth... just having one good player at a position doesn't always cut it D) I really like that having both of them lets us exploit mismatches when one matches up better against a secondary than the other.

07-21-2011, 07:08 PM	#41
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,404	Re: Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout The reason for the "trade Cooley" cries is like any good business. You buy low, and sell high. The Patriots are the best at this. I think they are probably the only team that could get Randy Moss for a 4th rounder and turn around 2 years later and get a 3rd out of him. Seymour near the end of his career? Still got a first for him. That's smart business and it sets yourself up for the future. It's not about the move you make today, it's about the move you are going to make in 3 years.

07-21-2011, 07:14 PM	#42
Skins4L Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 538	Re: Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout LANDRY is a 100% keeper are you guys serious?? lol COOLEY is our Franchise TE. Great locker room guy. Hes staying. Your crazy. THIS TEAM NEEDS TALENT. We need to hold our best players... and add more talent. Bottom line. __________________ ALL HAIL

07-21-2011, 07:33 PM	#43
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,194	Re: Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout I would lock up LL too. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-21-2011, 07:40 PM	#45
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,194	Re: Which Redskins Should Receive Contract Extensions after the Lockout LL is a baller, not worried about him flopping. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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