Twitter burns as Owners ratify

SBXVII · 07-22-2011, 02:15 AM

I'm slightly confused.....

During this whole process the owners had Goodell to negotiate terms for them, different owners sat in on meetings at different times, yesterday when the owners showed up and had their meeting I'd guess each owner was given the proposal to peruse over night and I'd presume they talked about the issue's and changes today.... then voted on it.

The players had D.Smith negotiating for them, and just like the owners the players had different player reps sitting in on meetings at different times, no different then how the owners handled their proposal meeting and vote the players should have done the same. Yet we get word that one player rep didn't get the proposal until today? that they want time to digest the material? and then there is " the owners are trying to push us into a corner" and " the owners are trying to slip/sneak items into the CBA"? WTF?

The best one was.... ”We hadn’t even seen the deal the owners voted on today." Is it not the same effing proposal the players are supposed to be looking at and digesting just like the owners? What games are the players playing?

Then the players mentioned they were concerned about how they will become a Union again?
#1- that has nothing to do with the owners.
#2- the NFLPA* should have already been making plans for that prior to now.
#3- they don't have to wait until all the players are back at their facilities to sign some idiot card in order to become a union. Their simply trying to make sure they have the majority vote to become a Union again, so all the "Reps" should be making contact with all the players from their organizations with the simple question "do you want to become part of a Union again?" If each "Rep" returns with a majority vote of yes then reinstate the damn union and the "Reps" should be able to agree to the proposal.

Lockout can be lifted, when the players report next week the NFLPA can request the players to sign the stupid card for accountability, and all parties can wait for the "Final Draft" so they can sign them. If everyone is going to have to wait till the "Final Draft" is typed up and signed by the owners before the players will vote and sign then you can figure on the season not starting until Oct. or Nov.

Giantone · 07-22-2011, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

If all that's lost out of this is the HOF game, it's a win for all.

...except the people going "into" the Hall.

GTripp0012 · 07-22-2011, 08:27 AM

This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night:

Jeremy Jarmon gets it | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him.

GTripp0012 · 07-22-2011, 08:36 AM

I feel bad for the players, who obviously couldn't have voted on a document they haven't read. But the NFLPA pays its lawyers to do the same thing the NFL pays its lawyers for. Only, as far as I can tell, both sides lawyers hammered out these solutions in record time, while the NFLPAs group has consistently kept the people they work for in the dark.

These allegations of the Owners making a power play on the Players are unfortunate, but are only possible because the players couldn't wrap up their end of the bargain on Wednesday. And I don't think it was for lack of desire. I think the NFLPA did a piss poor job getting the 32 player reps adequately prepared to vote on a deal.

I fully expect the players to be the "bigger man" and do what it takes to bring us football, but that wouldn't have had to happen if their leadership had just done their jobs starting last Saturday and expedited the process of a deal. But there were just too many other motives out there for the NFLPA non-players.

Hog1 · 07-22-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I feel bad for the players, who obviously couldn't have voted on a document they haven't read. But the NFLPA pays its lawyers to do the same thing the NFL pays its lawyers for. Only, as far as I can tell, both sides lawyers hammered out these solutions in record time, while the NFLPAs group has consistently kept the people they work for in the dark.

These allegations of the Owners making a power play on the Players are unfortunate, but are only possible because the players couldn't wrap up their end of the bargain on Wednesday. And I don't think it was for lack of desire. I think the NFLPA did a piss poor job getting the 32 player reps adequately prepared to vote on a deal.

I fully expect the players to be the "bigger man" and do what it takes to bring us football, but that wouldn't have had to happen if their leadership had just done their jobs starting last Saturday and expedited the process of a deal. But there were just too many other motives out there for the NFLPA non-players.

What other motives are you talking about G?

GTripp0012 · 07-22-2011, 08:42 AM

Also keep in mind that the Raiders abstaining is in no way different than the players abstaining on Thursday night, except in the obvious: that the Raiders have no legal ability to hold up a deal. There would seem to be comparable dissent on the owners side to that of the players side.

But because 1) the NFL lawyers actually did their jobs, and 2) the NFL has proven far better at controlling negative PR leaks, the players side looks like more of an obstacle than the owners proved to be. I really don't think that is actually the case.

GTripp0012 · 07-22-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

What other motives are you talking about G?

Recertification delay is a red herring | ProFootballTalk

Reluctance to reconstitute union is another red herring | ProFootballTalk

Reports: Mankins, Jackson settlement an issue - Extra Points - Boston.com

Hog1 · 07-22-2011, 08:50 AM

Thanx!

NC_Skins · 07-22-2011, 08:52 AM

The NFL PR machine is almost as good as the GOP/DEM PR machine. They agree to a deal THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on and that they are the ones holding this up. The worst part is, people believe it...lol I guess that's why people keep voting in the same cats that continue to feed them bullshit at election time as well. /facepalm

What the **** is up with Al Davis? Hasn't this douchebag voted against each CBA agreement that has come up? Abstaining? Why can't the NFL just revoke the guys franchise from him much like MLB has done with the McCourts?

FRPLG · 07-22-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

What other motives are you talking about G?

One man. JEFF KESSLER. He's either an evil genius that the NFLPA will keep around forever or an ego-maniacal obstructionist hell bent on cultivating an image as the next Marvin Miller. So hell-bent he'd kill football in the name of self-aggrandizement. My guess is when all is said and done he and De Smith have a little internal battle with the loser leaving town. Unless of course they've just been playing good cop bad cop.

Mattyk · 07-22-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night:

Jeremy Jarmon gets it | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him.

Nice to see there are some level heads out there.

Mattyk · 07-22-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good breakdown by Andrew Brandt

We have a (proposed) deal | National Football Post

Good read.

This is just one of the final steps of the process. Nobody said it was going to be smooth or easy. I think once the players have some time to step back from the ledge today and start digesting the deal, cooler heads will prevail.

SBXVII · 07-22-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night:

Jeremy Jarmon gets it | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him.

Yes he does seem to get it. I think the player reps were expecting to be able to show up and take a copy of the final product home and have several days to go over it with a fine tooth comb and then get back together to have their questions answered. I think they got offended when after the owners got together that the owners wanted yet another concession from the players, but do they realize that's he negotiation process? That's why the two negotiators had phone contact so if either party didn't like something or wanted something added they could immediately call each other and pass it along to be given to either the owners or player reps.

I think what ticks me off more is the players acting stupid like they didn't know or have a clue that they would have to become a Union again prior to signing the new CBA. The players should have had a plan, a plan on how to reach all 1900 plus players in a hurry to get their approval to re unionize and it sounds like they didn't or they were hoping to push the owners into a corner by making them lift the lockout first then the players could show up at the facilities to vote which does sound easy but is also BS because it puts the owners in a spot if the players decide they do not want to re unionize and the doors were opened back up.

And then there is the whole idea that they can't vote be aide they need time to look everything over. Did they not participate in the meetings? Not everyone but neither did the owners and they went over he material and voted.

Ruhskins · 07-22-2011, 09:37 AM

If any average Joe can follow this on the internet, I am sure the majority of players should have been able to. That being said, I think both sides did quite a lot towards the end to keep this going (the owners throwing the right for first refusal and from the players side the whole settlement situation with the Brady case). I think at this point the players rep need to show leadership and just get everyone to vote on this and move on.

FRPLG · 07-22-2011, 09:40 AM

Here's a little nugget that I think is pertinent. THE PLAYERS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

There are plenty of smart well-intentioned football players but none of them have any real experience in actual labor negotiations or union management. They hired someone to lead their union who was supposed to mitigate this fact. Hell that's the point of hiring professional labor personnel...they know what they're doing. Unfortunately I think De Smith has proven again that he doesn't have the head for this job. The NFPLA* let this get out of control when they didn't properly manage expectations and the situation on their side to make sure everything was in order to move forward with the process in the proper way.

07-22-2011, 02:15 AM	#46
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify I'm slightly confused..... During this whole process the owners had Goodell to negotiate terms for them, different owners sat in on meetings at different times, yesterday when the owners showed up and had their meeting I'd guess each owner was given the proposal to peruse over night and I'd presume they talked about the issue's and changes today.... then voted on it. The players had D.Smith negotiating for them, and just like the owners the players had different player reps sitting in on meetings at different times, no different then how the owners handled their proposal meeting and vote the players should have done the same. Yet we get word that one player rep didn't get the proposal until today? that they want time to digest the material? and then there is " the owners are trying to push us into a corner" and " the owners are trying to slip/sneak items into the CBA"? WTF? The best one was.... ”We hadn’t even seen the deal the owners voted on today." Is it not the same effing proposal the players are supposed to be looking at and digesting just like the owners? What games are the players playing? Then the players mentioned they were concerned about how they will become a Union again? #1- that has nothing to do with the owners. #2- the NFLPA* should have already been making plans for that prior to now. #3- they don't have to wait until all the players are back at their facilities to sign some idiot card in order to become a union. Their simply trying to make sure they have the majority vote to become a Union again, so all the "Reps" should be making contact with all the players from their organizations with the simple question "do you want to become part of a Union again?" If each "Rep" returns with a majority vote of yes then reinstate the damn union and the "Reps" should be able to agree to the proposal. Lockout can be lifted, when the players report next week the NFLPA can request the players to sign the stupid card for accountability, and all parties can wait for the "Final Draft" so they can sign them. If everyone is going to have to wait till the "Final Draft" is typed up and signed by the owners before the players will vote and sign then you can figure on the season not starting until Oct. or Nov.

07-22-2011, 08:27 AM	#48
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night: Jeremy Jarmon gets it \| Rich Tandler's Real Redskins If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

07-22-2011, 08:36 AM	#49
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify I feel bad for the players, who obviously couldn't have voted on a document they haven't read. But the NFLPA pays its lawyers to do the same thing the NFL pays its lawyers for. Only, as far as I can tell, both sides lawyers hammered out these solutions in record time, while the NFLPAs group has consistently kept the people they work for in the dark. These allegations of the Owners making a power play on the Players are unfortunate, but are only possible because the players couldn't wrap up their end of the bargain on Wednesday. And I don't think it was for lack of desire. I think the NFLPA did a piss poor job getting the 32 player reps adequately prepared to vote on a deal. I fully expect the players to be the "bigger man" and do what it takes to bring us football, but that wouldn't have had to happen if their leadership had just done their jobs starting last Saturday and expedited the process of a deal. But there were just too many other motives out there for the NFLPA non-players. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

07-22-2011, 08:42 AM	#51
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify Also keep in mind that the Raiders abstaining is in no way different than the players abstaining on Thursday night, except in the obvious: that the Raiders have no legal ability to hold up a deal. There would seem to be comparable dissent on the owners side to that of the players side. But because 1) the NFL lawyers actually did their jobs, and 2) the NFL has proven far better at controlling negative PR leaks, the players side looks like more of an obstacle than the owners proved to be. I really don't think that is actually the case. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

07-22-2011, 08:50 AM	#53
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,377	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify Thanx! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

07-22-2011, 08:52 AM	#54
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,288	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify The NFL PR machine is almost as good as the GOP/DEM PR machine. They agree to a deal THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on and that they are the ones holding this up. The worst part is, people believe it...lol I guess that's why people keep voting in the same cats that continue to feed them bullshit at election time as well. /facepalm What the **** is up with Al Davis? Hasn't this douchebag voted against each CBA agreement that has come up? Abstaining? Why can't the NFL just revoke the guys franchise from him much like MLB has done with the McCourts?

07-22-2011, 09:37 AM	#59
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,593	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify If any average Joe can follow this on the internet, I am sure the majority of players should have been able to. That being said, I think both sides did quite a lot towards the end to keep this going (the owners throwing the right for first refusal and from the players side the whole settlement situation with the Brady case). I think at this point the players rep need to show leadership and just get everyone to vote on this and move on. __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

07-22-2011, 09:40 AM	#60
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Twitter burns as Owners ratify Here's a little nugget that I think is pertinent. THE PLAYERS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. There are plenty of smart well-intentioned football players but none of them have any real experience in actual labor negotiations or union management. They hired someone to lead their union who was supposed to mitigate this fact. Hell that's the point of hiring professional labor personnel...they know what they're doing. Unfortunately I think De Smith has proven again that he doesn't have the head for this job. The NFPLA* let this get out of control when they didn't properly manage expectations and the situation on their side to make sure everything was in order to move forward with the process in the proper way.

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