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Old 07-22-2011, 09:42 AM   #61
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If any average Joe can follow this on the internet, I am sure the majority of players should have been able to. That being said, I think both sides did quite a lot towards the end to keep this going (the owners throwing the right for first refusal and from the players side the whole settlement situation with the Brady case). I think at this point the players rep need to show leadership and just get everyone to vote on this and move on.
I use to think player reps were always the level-headed "smart" guys. This has shown me that isn't always the case. But whatever...it's time for everyone to put on the big-boy pants and finish this thing.
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:53 AM   #62
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The NFL PR machine is almost as good as the GOP/DEM PR machine. They agree to a deal THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on and that they are the ones holding this up. The worst part is, people believe it...lol I guess that's why people keep voting in the same cats that continue to feed them bullshit at election time as well. /facepalm
I am still waiting to see a link or something concrete that shows the owners in some way, altered the terms that had been agreed upon with NFLPA leadership or inserted language that was either contrary to that agreement or inserted terms that were simply never contemplated. Show me the link as to the specifics parts of the agreement that "THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on". I haven't seen it. I have heard allegations and diatribe and read Vonnie Holliday's tweet, but nothing referring to the specifics parts of the proposal that the players did not agree to. Please show me exactly what you are talking about by referencing the Proposal's terms.

Ahhh, but the owners are constantly evil and have money so it MUST be there fault, evidence is simply not needed to prove that immutable point. <sigh>
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I use to think player reps were always the level-headed "smart" guys. This has shown me that isn't always the case. But whatever...it's time for everyone to put on the big-boy pants and finish this thing.
I get that 1600 players want a chance to see the final product and understand it before agreeing to it, but that's what the players' reps should have been doing all along so that the players can say "okay, how was this issue finally resolved? How was that issue finally resolved?" And get there answers quickly. It's not the players I blame as much as their reps and the NFLPA legal team. It's as if the legal team didn't keep the reps involved and the reps were certainly not communicating with the players. Now, the NFLPA leadership is expecting the players to understand four months of negotiating in one day and to make an informed decision. Bush league.

If I was a player (1) I would probably been more informed on the progress and bugged my rep for substantive information along the way; and (2) I would be deeply pissed at my rep if what he had been telling me up to know didn't match what I was hearing now.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:03 AM   #64
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Time to go to work. Let's get it!
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:05 AM   #65
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I am still waiting to see a link or something concrete that shows the owners in some way, altered the terms that had been agreed upon or inserted language that was either contrary to that agreement or was simply never discussed. Show me the link as to the specifics parts of the agreement that "THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on". I haven't seen it. I have heard allegations and diatribe and read Vonnie Holliday's tweet, but nothing referring to the specifics parts of the proposal that the players did not agree to.

Ahhh, but the owners are constantly evil and have money so it MUST be there fault, evidence is simply not needed to prove that immutable point. <sigh>
I don't think you'll find that. I think the issue is the players like the agreement but they have to poll all 1900+ players, in other words the players must vote to be a union again. Then they can vote on accepting the new CBA. So technically the players are not ready, but it is their own mistake for not having found a way to quickly get their vote ie; a simple e-mail from each player using employee numbers or something.

The issue of the owners adding things I think is the owners demanding the players reform prior to being allowed to show up at team facilities. I think the players were hoping the owners would take all the risk and open their doors and them allow the players to come together to vote on reforming then the player rep could send the vote to whomever and with the majority vote then the player reps could vote on the new CBA as a union. But the owners don't want to take the risk and I don't blame them.

As far as the other issue's like injury settlements that's all arguments a union would have to argue which can't take place until the players reform.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:11 AM   #66
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:12 AM   #67
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The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:17 AM   #68
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NFL network just talking about it saying basically ther is 2 big issues...

1- is the CBA which the players and owners don't have issues with.

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2- how to settle the law suits and reform as a union "legally".
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:22 AM   #69
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Now personally I think the NFLPA* should already have had a plan for all this and or atleast talked about by their lawyers. Why do I get the feeling the players had no intention of reforming and D.Smith never informed the players or their reps that the negotiations were going forward as if they will reform as a union? Then all the reps come back and are upset about the whole idea of reforming and dropping all the lawsuits.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:23 AM   #70
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I'm not going to take anything from Twitter seriously. Most of the guys do not know the details and are just making initial emotional reactions public.

They're just making fools of themselves AND possibly hindering getting the thing done. I can't wait until Twitter dies.



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The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
If they are reading the document for the first time, well that's ridiculous and on the leadership.

If they are being given guidance and making sure they understand how the main points were finally resolved fine. Even then, the majority of that review should have been prepped by the player reps.

Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.
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The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
I agree on the Twitter thing. It has been the real unique culprit in this situation that no one was rpepared to deal with.

I don't think the players are very savvy when it comes to this stuff at all. In general that is.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:34 AM   #73
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If they are reading the document for the first time, well that's ridiculous and on the leadership.

If they are being given guidance and making sure they understand how the main points were finally resolved fine. Even then, the majority of that review should have been prepped by the player reps.

Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.
This.

They had/have a responsibility to be prepared to make decisions as effectively and efficiently as possible. It seems neither the players as a whole nor their leadership took the proper steps to allow for that. If this CBA is such a big deal to the players, as it should be and they have said it is, they should have been taking the whole process more seriously and professionally. Honestly I think they have repeatedly been made to look bad throughout this entire ordeal because they allow the NFL to "out-professional" them on a consistent basis.
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It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.
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It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.
Yeah not a lot of owners getting on Twitter bitching about the players.
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