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Old 08-01-2011, 08:48 PM   #196
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Oh I'm sorry, did the words with negative connotations but neutal definitions screw with your head?
First word: deliberately.
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2. Arising from or marked by careful consideration: a deliberate decision. See Synonyms at voluntary.
3. Unhurried in action, movement, or manner, as if trying to avoid error: moved at a deliberate pace. See Synonyms at slow.

See? A deliberate decision by the coach IS NOT NECESSARILY A BASELESS decision. Clearly, you think baseless and deliberate are synonyms.

Do I have to bring up the stats from running backs from the ZBS in Denver or the completion percentage of WCO QBs to drill into your head that a larger stat value is not a definitive INDICATOR of "betterness". By your standards, Lendale White was elite in 2008. Well, White has dropped out of the NFL universe now, but I'm sure by your standards, those FIFTEEN TDs are truly a good indicator of a good RB. As a goal-line back, you've got more QUALITY OPPORTUNITIES to punch it in. He SHOULD be having higher stat totals due to having more opportunities.

Even at the higher baseline for TDs required to goal line backs to be deemed "effective" IN THIER ROLE, Hightower's TD production has been going down, with an abysmal 5 TDs last season. This is a part of a continuing trend of decline.


It's doubtful this guy is going to make his dough here as just a redzone TD vulture. It's going to be as a third down back who can block and catch who can hopefully bounce back from a mere down season.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:00 PM   #197
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There's room for just one "greater than thou" asshole on this site...and it's not you. So tone it down Webster
Really?? Only one?? We sure have a helluva lot of runner-ups for the job.

I guess the Ego just wants to ensure competition for every position at the Warpath.
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Really?? Only one?? We sure have a helluva lot of runner-ups for the job.

I guess the Ego just wants to ensure competition for every position at the Warpath.
lol...nice post
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:05 PM   #199
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Really?? Only one?? We sure have a helluva lot of runner-ups for the job.

I guess the Ego just wants to ensure competition for every position at the Warpath.
Every position except his own....Scud's thinking of starting a coup
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Oh I'm sorry, did the words with negative connotations but neutal definitions screw with your head?
First word: deliberately.
1. Done with or marked by full consciousness of the nature and effects; intentional: mistook the oversight for a deliberate insult.
2. Arising from or marked by careful consideration: a deliberate decision. See Synonyms at voluntary.
3. Unhurried in action, movement, or manner, as if trying to avoid error: moved at a deliberate pace. See Synonyms at slow.

See? A deliberate decision by the coach IS NOT NECESSARILY A BASELESS decision. Clearly, you think baseless and deliberate are synonyms.

Do I have to bring up the stats from running backs from the ZBS in Denver or the completion percentage of WCO QBs to drill into your head that a larger stat value is not a definitive INDICATOR of "betterness". By your standards, Lendale White was elite in 2008. Well, White has dropped out of the NFL universe now, but I'm sure by your standards, those FIFTEEN TDs are truly a good indicator of a good RB. As a goal-line back, you've got more QUALITY OPPORTUNITIES to punch it in. He SHOULD be having higher stat totals due to having more opportunities.

Even at the higher baseline for TDs required to goal line backs to be deemed "effective" IN THIER ROLE, Hightower's TD production has been going down, with an abysmal 5 TDs last season. This is a part of a continuing trend of decline.


It's doubtful this guy is going to make his dough here as just a redzone TD vulture. It's going to be as a third down back who can block and catch who can hopefully bounce back from a mere down season.
LOL. I'll just defer to what SmootSmack said. Know your place. All you can do is stomp your feet and scream the name LenDale White. You're talking loud and saying nothing.

In 2008 when LenDale White scored 15 TD's, he was a good player on his team. Are you saying he wasn't? When they needed a goal line TD, he delivered repeatedly. Are you also saying that Hightower isn't more of a complete player than White? If that's the case, you're nuts.

Hightower has gotten goal-line carries, but he brings a lot more to the table than that. The tape is there. Just watch it. I'm not saying he's going to be a superstar for us, but LenDale White he is not.

For the record, I never said scoring touchdowns makes you "elite," but it certainly doesn't hurt you as a player. If we have Helu and Torain but also added a guy with a proven nose for the endzone, how is that in any way a bad thing? Especially for the low price we paid?

Please enlighten me as to the point of your drivel.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:30 PM   #201
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Consider that the Cardinals placed a 2nd round tender on him back in March and we got him for a conditional late round pick and Holliday? That's not too bad at all
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GMscud - just make him a parrot avatar and call it a day. You can do that now.
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LOL. I'll just defer to what SmootSmack said. Know your place. All you can do is stomp your feet and scream the name LenDale White. You're talking loud and saying nothing.

In 2008 when LenDale White scored 15 TD's, he was a good player on his team. Are you saying he wasn't? When they needed a goal line TD, he delivered repeatedly. Are you also saying that Hightower isn't more of a complete player than White? If that's the case, you're nuts.

Hightower has gotten goal-line carries, but he brings a lot more to the table than that. The tape is there. Just watch it. I'm not saying he's going to be a superstar for us, but LenDale White he is not.

For the record, I never said scoring touchdowns makes you "elite," but it certainly doesn't hurt you as a player. If we have Helu and Torain but also added a guy with a proven nose for the endzone, how is that in any way a bad thing? Especially for the low price we paid?

Please enlighten me as to the point of your drivel.
I'm saying none of those things. I am already well aware of his reputed blocking, catching, and goal line skills. You don't need to tell me to watch the tape when I already have accepted such things.

The mention of LenDale White is to show how difficult it is to sift the "truly good" and the "truly bad" this particular class of backs. Also, another factoid is that just because the back has had a good year, does not mean he's a good back in general.

As for Hightower, I already think he'll be better than Betts and there is good chance he'll beat out Keiland Williams, barring poor preseason performances.

And yes, I'm aware I'm the neighborhood idiot here(not that I'm completely blameless), and hence all statements put forth by me will be deemed the viewpoints of a demented mind and full of irrational inneundo, justified or not.
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I'm saying none of those things. I am already well aware of his reputed blocking, catching, and goal line skills. You don't need to tell me to watch the tape when I already have accepted such things.

The mention of LenDale White is to show how difficult it is to sift the "truly good" and the "truly bad" this particular class of backs. Also, another factoid is that just because the back has had a good year, does not mean he's a good back in general.

As for Hightower, I already think he'll be better than Betts and there is good chance he'll beat out Keiland Williams, barring poor preseason performances.

And yes, I'm aware I'm the neighborhood idiot here(not that I'm completely blameless), and hence all statements put forth by me will be deemed the viewpoints of a demented mind and full of irrational inneundo, justified or not.
You're not the neighborhood idiot. You're something, but not the neighborhood idiot.

But you still have really yet to illustrate a point here. Is it simply that scoring a lot of TD's doesn't necessarily mean you're a good back? If so, then fine, but LenDale White in that case really hurts your argument actually. He was truly one dimensional. A big load that couldn't really catch, wasn't fast, didn't have great vision, and his blocking was ho-hum. You can't really use him as an argument against Tim Hightower as far as predictors for success. LenDale White wishes he had the multiple skill-sets of Hightower.

No one here (except for sportscurmudgeon) is saying the guy is going to be a superstar, but he's done enough to prove he's no LenDale White, and he's arguably better than anyone else on our roster at the position.
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I just want to know what SCP's point is. Do you think he's a dog we shouldn't have traded a low round pick for? Or are you saying he's just an average joe? or are you you just creating a humongous argument while trying to prove some tangential point (if so, that's my job buddy and saden1 is first on the depth chart)?

If the first, possibly but clearly he had some skills and may end up one of those low-risk high reward guys (or even low risk, some reward). If the second, not sure anyone is disagreeing with you all that vociferously.
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Consider that the Cardinals placed a 2nd round tender on him back in March and we got him for a conditional late round pick and Holliday? That's not too bad at all
Actually as far as RFA's go thats actually pretty cheap. IIRC the difference in money for an NFL team between the 1st/3rd and 2nd round tender is minimal. Then again maybe thats just the elder Bidwell trying to be cheap.
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Yes, it is I.

And Terry Allen, Stephen Davis and Earnest Byner were good RBs - - albeit Allen and Byner were here for only part of their prime years - - but Hightower had the potential to be better than any of them if he gets any blocking. I had no intention of insinuating that any of those guys were stiffs or stumblebums; they were not. Neither was Clinton Portis until the injuries caught up with him.

I think Hightower has the potential to be better than all of them...
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You're not the neighborhood idiot. You're something, but not the neighborhood idiot.

But you still have really yet to illustrate a point here. Is it simply that scoring a lot of TD's doesn't necessarily mean you're a good back? If so, then fine, but LenDale White in that case really hurts your argument actually. He was truly one dimensional. A big load that couldn't really catch, wasn't fast, didn't have great vision, and his blocking was ho-hum. You can't really use him as an argument against Tim Hightower as far as predictors for success. LenDale White wishes he had the multiple skill-sets of Hightower.

No one here (except for sportscurmudgeon) is saying the guy is going to be a superstar, but he's done enough to prove he's no LenDale White, and he's arguably better than anyone else on our roster at the position.
Yep, you got it. A poor man's Chester Taylor(who has not reached his ceiling yet, however high it is) is how I'm seeing Hightower at the moment. He can block and catch, and we need a RB with such skills. I'm not complaining about the cost either; I praised the FO in that regard. But, there's still some reason for me to be a little wary of Hightower.

He runs hard, but I also do not see too much of a "bruiser" in him for short yardage either. I like his ability to break big ones more than his "power running".

Also, looking at his individual game logs(didn't check until this post), Hightower seems to either hot or cold in his performances. 63%(465 yds out of his 736 total yards) of his 2010 rushing yardage total is from three games: Atlanta, Seattle, Denver, Kansas City, and St. Louis. By this, I would infer that he certainly can tear up the trash, but he(or perhaps the Cards O) normally struggles against tougher competition.
I hope he becomes more consistent against better teams as a Skin and that he is in a better situation here, but we'll see.
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Yes, it is I.

And Terry Allen, Stephen Davis and Earnest Byner were good RBs - - albeit Allen and Byner were here for only part of their prime years - - but Hightower had the potential to be better than any of them if he gets any blocking. I had no intention of insinuating that any of those guys were stiffs or stumblebums; they were not. Neither was Clinton Portis until the injuries caught up with him.

I think Hightower has the potential to be better than all of them...
Wow, Terry Allen. That brings me back a bit. It's always funny to think about all the guys we've all but forgotten. Some of them are relatively recent guys from the Gibbs era like Marcus Washington, Lamar Marshall, Joe Salvae, and Ryan Boschetti. Then theres random guys from the Spurrier/Turner/Marty era like David Schotz, Sam Shade, Marco Coleman, Corey Raymer, Chris Doering, Kevin Locket, Walter Rasby, Ifeanyi Ohalete.

Funny how easily some guys just slip our minds.
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