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Old 12-30-2004, 11:09 AM   #31
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I would estimate that Coles has dropped 10-15 balls this year. 95% of those were in 4-5 games following his dislocated finger that he re-set himself. Have you watched all of the games this year? Have you noticed how his production has escalated since Ramsey has been playing? If you saw last year's first few games, do you remember the kind of production he was having before the toe injury?
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:18 AM   #32
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Before this, before that. He has the toe injury and it doesn't seem to be getting much better. A healthy Coles is explosive with very solid hands, this year has been a down year. For everyone on the offensive side of the ball. It's hard to judge.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:20 AM   #33
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Before this, before that. He has the toe injury and it doesn't seem to be getting much better. A healthy Coles is explosive with very solid hands, this year has been a down year. For everyone on the offensive side of the ball. It's hard to judge.
Would you say that his is a trainwreck and not worthy of being called a #1 receiver in this league? That's what I take exception too.
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:02 PM   #34
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Coles regaurdless showed more heart than anyone else on that feild offensively and he needs a good reciever to complement him. there will not be a number 1 it would be threats. similar to the colts
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:14 PM   #35
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We have a very nice WR corps. There is no need to draft another one with a high pick. Coles will be back to his early 2003 form next year after his toe surgery this off-season. Gardner is a good complimentary receiver, and has won over Gibbs with his work ethic, so I would be very surprised if they trade or release him....unless Gibbs likes McCants more than he has shown, and they use Rod as trade bait.
Basically, in my opinion, WR is the last position we should pick for in the draft....at least in the first few rounds.
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:40 PM   #36
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Nobody knows if coles is going to have the surgery, Gibbs says he is optimistic about it. If Mike Williams is available at our draft spot, there is absoluetly no way you can pass on that talent. I mean you cannot name me another 6-5 reciever in the league that has as much upside as Williams. And don't say Moss he is 6-4 and we all know what he can do. This is a very weak draft this year and we are really in the driver's seat due to our record. Mike Williams is the best overall rated player in this year's draft in many people's minds, especially Mel Kiper who is the draft god. That man's hair is incredible by the way. Let's say we draft Williams. He immeidatly becomes a starter you now have Coles and Williams, Gardner is traded. Williams will draw double teams right away, so we have 9 people left on defense. Coles will get a lot of single coverage and we use a lot of 3 wide. So we would be looking at 7 in the box. Making it a little easier to run. Another thing that people tend to forget about Williams is his ability to block. Now we can run to the outside since our recievers will be able to hold a block long enough for Portis.
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:56 PM   #37
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why not keep gardner, and coles draft williams and lose McCants
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Old 12-30-2004, 02:03 PM   #38
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Coles is a gamer no what what anyone may say. I think the majority of us realize that.

Gardner on the other hand is very replaceable. He's proven to be a decent #2 and that's about it. Who knows though, it might be worth bringing him back in his contract year to play his tail off for the big money. Gibbs has praised him for his work ethic, so who knows what exactly our plans will be for him.
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Old 12-30-2004, 02:14 PM   #39
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I don't feel Mike Williams will draw double teams right away. They'll make him establish himself. His speed doesn't cause a huge problem for DBs so I think if they have a big type corner, a Springs prototype would lock him down fairly well.

I like him, and he has potential for sure, but he won't command respect in an instant.

We need something on offense, I feel receiver. Get Williams, keep Gardner/McCants, once Gardners contract is up get rid of him, you still have Jacobs for the slot speed and McCants for a big lineup.
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Old 12-30-2004, 02:59 PM   #40
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Coles is a good receiver but is overpaid and is not a great #1 WR. Yes I know he catches 90 passes and has 1200 yards and that's nice.

Now go and dig up the stats on his TD catches as a Redskin...

Lead receivers catch lots of passes and they make others look good AND THEY GET INTO THE END ZONE more than once every three or four games!!

A top flight WR - one who is getting paid what Coles is getting paid or maybe a bit more - scores touchdowns. Compare scoring stats for Coles, Moss, Owens, Harrison, Horn, Chad Johnson over the past three years. Compare him to Charles Johnson over the past two years (Johnson was not in the NFL 3 years ago) and Javon Walker over the past two years. Hell, compare him to Jimmy smith over the past three years even though Smith has been out all this season!
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Old 12-30-2004, 03:08 PM   #41
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I will try to answer a couple posts at once in regards to my assessment of Coles. I do watch every second of every Redskins game. I have noticed his production increase with Ramsey at QB, but it is still not up to the production of a #1 WR IMO. Where are the big plays and TD's? He has caught more and dropped less since Ramsey took over, that I will accept as a good point, but he is still not making the game changing plays that I expect from my #1 WR. I guess we could argue all day as to which is more to blame the WR's or the QB play. I think Coles is a good player, just not a difference maker that I thought he would be and that his contract says he should be.

I will retract the "trainwreck" comment...that was not fair or accurate. And I am also not trying to imply that we should get rid of Coles. I am not one of those overreacting fans that want to ship every player off the team. I think he can be one of the better #2's in the league. I just don't see him as a top WR on a playoff caliber team. I measure a WR not by the catches and yards accumulated, but rather by the impact he has on the offense and the games outcome. How much impact can Coles 90 catches have had if Redskins are one of the lowest scoring teams in the league?
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Old 12-30-2004, 07:28 PM   #42
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Coles is a good receiver but is overpaid and is not a great #1 WR. Yes I know he catches 90 passes and has 1200 yards and that's nice.

Now go and dig up the stats on his TD catches as a Redskin...

Lead receivers catch lots of passes and they make others look good AND THEY GET INTO THE END ZONE more than once every three or four games!!

A top flight WR - one who is getting paid what Coles is getting paid or maybe a bit more - scores touchdowns. Compare scoring stats for Coles, Moss, Owens, Harrison, Horn, Chad Johnson over the past three years. Compare him to Charles Johnson over the past two years (Johnson was not in the NFL 3 years ago) and Javon Walker over the past two years. Hell, compare him to Jimmy smith over the past three years even though Smith has been out all this season!

You compare him to guys playing with MUCH better QBs but fail to mention that. You compare him to guys who make twice as much as him, but conveniently fail to mention that. You are simply WRONG about Javon Walker's stats. Please do compare him to Jimmy Smith. And just who exactly is Charles Johnson? I have a friend named Charles Johnson, but I don't think he plays in the NFL.

I know your whole gig is to be the skeptical, everything and everyone sucks, demolish the whole team guy, but there are TONS of people who'd kill to have Coles on their team. Coles is one of the few Redskins I get very defensive about. Don't trash this guy because once you do, your stock is going to drop a bunch.
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Old 12-30-2004, 07:58 PM   #43
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OKay, Ramseyfan:
28 Laveranues Coles WAS 87 913 10.5 1 45

11 Jimmy Smith JAC 71 1150 16.2 6 65

Jimmy Smith has more yards and 5 more TDs.

3 Javon Walker GB 86 1300 15.1 11 79
Javon Walker - same things.

I'm assuming SC meant Andre Johnson, who's right behind Jimmy Smith but with only 6 TDs, still overshadowing Coles 1.

There are #2 receivers (Burleson, Lelie, Stokely, Mason, Wayne, Driver, Bruce) all ahead of Coles. He has a passion and a fire which I love, but he is far from a big play receiver. He had good hands and excellent speed a majority of the time. He's hampered by injuries and a horrible system, no doubt. However if we talk about production this year - he simply doesn't have any.
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Old 12-30-2004, 08:30 PM   #44
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daesal, how many times have we thrown deep? thats how u get yards...dont blame coles
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Old 12-30-2004, 08:35 PM   #45
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He's hampered by injuries and a horrible system, no doubt. However if we talk about production this year - he simply doesn't have any.
He's a good guy, but I also am not sure if he's a true clutch #1 receiver. He's a good receiver, but I'd like a big guy on the other side of him.
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