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Old 12-30-2004, 08:19 PM   #1
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Where are the Warpathers Who Predicted a 10-6 Record?

Each offseason, we Warpathers rave about our offseason additions (See Coles, Thomas, Griffin, Washington, Taylor, Springs, Portis, Brunell, etc). Our blood collectively boils when:

experts like Len Pastabelly say that we overpaid for this guy or that guy,
that our acquisitions are busts in the making,
that we don't have enough talent to be considered contenders,
that we are ranked around 24th in the preseason power rankings, etc.

We all predicted that the Redskins would make the playoffs and would end up with a 10-6 or even a 12-4 record. Fess up, last August how many of you knew what players we were going to field, said we we're going to make the playoffs, and predicted we'd end up with a record of at least 9-7? I seem to recall that the overwhelming majority of us Warpathers thought we'd be playing in January.

Yet by December, many of those very same Warpathers have abandoned ship and begun to say how many holes we have and how this player or that player needs to be replaced. So what happened? Did we not realize who was on our roster? Were those "experts" who we all criticized right all along?

While calling for basically an entirely new roster, people criticize Daniel Snyder for the constant turnover. I've heard calls for Coles to be replaced as our #1 wideout, Gardner to be cut, a new tight-end, a new center, a new left tackle, Brunell to be cut, PORTIS to be benched, Ramsey to be benched, a new quarterback, a new defensive tackle, a new defensive end, a new strong safety, etc. Thank God we Warpathers aren't running the Redskins - we'd make Daniel Snyder's management style look like the epitomy of continuity and patience.

I personally think we are 1-2 players away from having an excellent roster. Get a solid, new run-blocking center and tight end on offense and we could put up monster numbers with the right play-calling. I have no doubt that a guy like former-USC wideout Mike Williams could bring a lot to our offense, but we have Gibbs, not Spurrier at the helm. We need help with our run-blocking. Getting Williams when we have such poor run-blocking in a Gibbs-run offense is like buying $5,000 rims and sweet hydraulics for a car with no engine - it looks cool, but it doesn't make the car run.

As for our defense, we don't really need much help and with maybe one addition, it could be devastating and consistently put points on the board. Give our defense a pass-rush specialist at defensive end and they could look like the Ravens of 2000. Bringing a pass-rush with the front four allows guys like Arrington, Washington, Pierce, Springs, and Taylor to create turnovers by ballhawking instead of pass-rushing.

Ultimately, when you think about it, we're not far from playoff contention. So let's not dismantle the team, go on another free agency spending spree, and irrationally talk-down our current roster after talking them up so much this past offseason.
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Old 12-30-2004, 08:25 PM   #2
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Old 12-30-2004, 08:59 PM   #3
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I predicted 10-6 or possibly 11-5 before the season because I expected a much better level of play from the team in terms of eliminating the boneheadeed mistakes that had plagued the Redskins for about the past 4 years.

That didn't happen. AND, Mark Brunell was worse than anyone could have imagined.
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Old 12-30-2004, 09:02 PM   #4
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I predicted 10-6 or possibly 11-5 before the season because I expected a much better level of play from the team in terms of eliminating the boneheadeed mistakes that had plagued the Redskins for about the past 4 years.

That didn't happen. AND, Mark Brunell was worse than anyone could have imagined.


His statement could match exactly waht I would tell you. I said that type of record before the season, and outside of the Brunell fiasco, I really dont know what happend. I never expected this level of play from our defense. And seirously, I thought we might have the best offense in the league this year. I was wrong, but I'm still here.
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Old 12-30-2004, 09:04 PM   #5
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Deep down in my heart I was hoping for 8-8 realistically, and in the best case scenario with no injuries at our best 9-7.............Injuries to Arrington and Jansen hurt us who know what would happen if these guys had been healthy AND Ramsey started at QB.............
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Old 12-30-2004, 09:44 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I personally think we are 1-2 players away from having an excellent roster. Get a solid, new run-blocking center and tight end on offense and we could put up monster numbers with the right play-calling. I have no doubt that a guy like former-USC wideout Mike Williams could bring a lot to our offense, but we have Gibbs, not Spurrier at the helm. We need help with our run-blocking. Getting Williams when we have such poor run-blocking in a Gibbs-run offense is like buying $5,000 rims and sweet hydraulics for a car with no engine - it looks cool, but it doesn't make the car run.[QUOTE]

The reason Dan Snyder is criticized is because you could make the argument that we were 1-2 players short of an excellent roster in 1999 - and that team made the playoffs - what did Snyder do?...bring in Bruce, Deion and Jeff George? We would've made the playoffs under Marty if Snyder had given him a chance. Run blocking was superb under Marty with Samuels, Jansen and a couple of old vets on the O-line. We didn't even have Dockery or Thomas. What does Snyder do?..fire Marty after a year in which we went 8-3 in our last 11 games, and that too with a no name QB like Banks.

People have now backed off criticizing Snyder because he's ceded control over personnel decisions to Gibbs. Snyder/Cerrato are only responsible to the extent that they've handed out ridiculously generous contracts to Brunell and Portis.

Back to your argument: There's no reason why we can't get all three - Mike Williams, an excellent run blocking center, and a blocking TE. You're a salary cap doomsdayer - taking into consideration that there will be a 4 million increase in the cap next year, and a further increase after the new TV deal in 2006, we can easily afford a Mike Williams.

As for your "car with no engine analogy", the QB is the engine of the offense (playcalling acting as the fuel) - so saying that our offense is a car with no engine doesn't speak too well of your boy Ramsey. I for one think you're exactly right - our car doesn't have an engine - Ramsey is overrated - he lacks accuracy, anticipation, and doesn't see the field well. I'll happily eat those words if Ramsey dazzles us next year, but pardon me for being skeptical after seeing the 3rd year vet struggle.

I'm with you in that I don't see a need for a complete overhaul of the team, but we need better play at O-line, QB & WR.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:47 PM   #7
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How often does a head coach doubling as GM work out? Very rarely. That scares me.

It's also hard to judge Ramsey who's played through 25 games now? In two different systems? Give him some time.

I predicted either 10-6 or 9-7. Don't remember. I can't think of a single person on this board, except LAHOF73 who isn't disappointed with the skins season.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:49 PM   #8
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I definitely thought we would go at least 10-6.....I didn't expect us to have the season we have went through, but looking back on it, it probably was too much to expect a 10-6 record after installing a new system and a new coach that hasn't been in the league in about 12 years. I think Gibbs will fair much better next year.
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Old 12-31-2004, 12:02 AM   #9
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Hurrykaine,

You want better play at WR, QB, and O-line. So basically you want a whole new offense? What exactly would you like to see? As has been pointed out, Ramsey ran for his life his first two years when he was in and has been mostly efficient this year. Under a new system he had a QB rating of 83 in his starts until this past weekend.

I don't think either INT in last Sunday's game showed a serious lapse in judgment. His first INT was all on Kozlowski. His second INT looked like it was either the result of Coles slipping or a miscommunication. I don't completely absolve Ramsey of either pick, but I don't think he's been piss poor.

Also, I stand by the observation I made in Week 3 that this offense is vanilla, predictable, doesn't work, and needs serious "fine-tuning." So I don't think Ramsey is the engine; Gibbs is.

I like your argument that I am a salary cap doomsdayer. So if we don't resign Smoot, does that mean that Gibbs is a friggin moron? I mean, we don't have any salary cap issues (according to you) and Smoot wants to be here. So, as long as Gibbs wants Smoot here, he'll be here right? If he's gone are you prepared to rail Gibbs?
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Old 12-31-2004, 06:03 AM   #10
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Yes, I'm one of those fans who thought we would go 10-6. But I'm not criticizing now. I'm not nearly smart enough to say what should be done to fix things. I only know that I'm sick about how our season progressed (or rather DIDN'T progress) and, once again, I'm looking forward to next year. It seems like I've been doing that for a lot of years now. But in my humble opinion, I think Gibbs needed a year to get comfortable with all of the changes. I do think he will be able to learn and adapt and that we will be much improved next year. I've been a loyal Redskins fan for about 50 years, and I'll stick with them, win or lose.
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Old 12-31-2004, 08:17 AM   #11
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I thought 10-6 was a possibility, but I also thought realistically 8-8 or 9-7 were more likely. I really wasn't expecting double digit losses, that's for sure. If you look back on the season we had a handful of games that really could have gone our way to get us to 8-8, but as they say, shoulda, coulda, woulda...
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Old 12-31-2004, 08:36 AM   #12
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I am one! The offense didn't progress like I thought and the inconsistency of the coaching caused WAY more problems than anything I ever imagined. I am still loyal and will always be loyal win or lose.

Smoot will leave because the front office are a bunch of friggin idiots when it comes to keeping the best players on the team (Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey to name a few). Gibbs will need to fine tune (blow up) his offense and come up with some new ideas. If Smoot leaves that will change the draft dramatically from offense to defensive back so we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Should be an interesting off season.....aren't they all???????
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Old 12-31-2004, 09:39 AM   #13
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I thought 9-7 but figured that 1 game plus or minus was a possibility. 5-11 never entered my mind. I think if we were all told in August that we would have the #2 defense in the league we would have spent the last few months trying to get our hands on Super Bowl tickets...
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Old 12-31-2004, 09:41 AM   #14
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I predicted 10-6 or possibly 11-5 before the season because I expected a much better level of play from the team in terms of eliminating the boneheadeed mistakes that had plagued the Redskins for about the past 4 years.

That didn't happen. AND, Mark Brunell was worse than anyone could have imagined.
I thought the same thing-we wouldn't beat ourselves and Brunell would have a bit of a revival here.
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Old 12-31-2004, 09:46 AM   #15
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To respond to the rest of your email, I do not want this team dismantled. The only rant I fess up to is that I do want Coles replaced as the #1 WR and if I end up wrong on that i will admit it. I want few additions elsewhere except in the offensive line and defensive line. I would like the Skins to have Mike Williams, but if they can get a dominating lineman instead I will be happy as a pig in sh*t with that...

IMO perhaps the biggest need on the team is a new starting center, but they are generally drafted much lower than the top 10 of round #1. And I agree that if you gave Greg Williams a dominant pass rushing end the results could be devastating for the rest of the NFC East...
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