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Old 09-02-2011, 02:43 PM   #136
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whole return team gets credit for sure, but Banks has the ability to hit it & change directions on the fly. Banks is worth keeping even if his knee isn't entirely healed. In addition to the TD he impacted field position on several punts when they wouldn't punt it to him. If he's returning kicks & the wind is strong/kicker's leg is weak, they will try to avoid him then too & that will impact field position in our favor.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:50 PM   #137
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I don't think it's the speed, but the ability to find that one crease and exploit it.
True. I watched the highlight over a few times to see who the "blocker" was that was catching up to Banks, and it was Paul. Banks does seem much more elusive though.

My problem with Banks is that opposing teams can kick away from him everytime if they want. If he does too well, he works himself out of a job. At least unitl the fix the stupid Kick-off rule.
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QB: Beck, Grossman (2-No need for Clemens)
RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain (3-Royster to PS)
FB: Young (1-Sellers cut)
TE: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen (3)
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Paul, Banks (7-Banks is too valuable)
T: T. Williams, Locklear, Jamaal Brown (3)
G: Lichtensteiger, Chester, Hicks, Hurt (3-Capers to PS or cut outright)
C: Montgomery, Cook (2)

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DE: Carriker, Bowen, Scott (3)
DT: Cofield, Bryant, Worthington (3)
OLB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Alexander (4)
ILB: Fletch, Rocky, Fox, Riley (4)
SS: Landry, Gomes (2-Horton is gone once Moore is activated from PUP)
FS: Otogwe, Doughty, Moore (3)
CB: Hall, Wilson, Barnes, Buchanon, Westbrook, Thompson (6)

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ST: Sundberg, Rocca, Gano

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I have been thinking that if Logan Paulson gets cut and cellars serves as our back up tight end and fullback. That would help them keep more runningbacks and recievers.
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:04 PM   #140
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I would rather keep Paulson at TE/FB than Sellers as FB\TE. I know he hasn't played at FB and that I am being silly a little. I have hard time keeping Sellers around after the past couple years and Paulson has been solid in everything I have seen him do.
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I would rather keep Paulson at TE/FB than Sellers as FB\TE. I know he hasn't played at FB and that I am being silly a little. I have hard time keeping Sellers around after the past couple years and Paulson has been solid in everything I have seen him do.
Agreed, Paulson is good at the GL. Sellers has had some trouble making catches in the past couple of season...a lot of big drops. He's done. Loved his play when he was still capable, but his play has regressed.

Keiland Williams will be a fine backup FB. Darrell Young is an exciting player, especially when he gets the ball in the open field. He should be our next Sellers...possibly better for many years to come.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:04 PM   #142
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QB: Beck, Grossman (2-No need for Clemens)
RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain (3-Royster to PS)
FB: Young, Sellers (2)
TE: Cooley, Davis (2)
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Paul (6)
T: T. Williams, Locklear, Jamaal Brown (3)
G: Lichtensteiger, Chester, Hicks, Hurt (3)
C: Montgomery, Cook (2)

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DE: Carriker, Bowen, Golston, Worthington (4)
NT: Cofield, Bryant (2)
OLB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, White (4)
ILB: Fletch, Rocky, Fox, Alexander (4)
SS: Landry, Gomes (2-Horton is gone once Moore is activated from PUP)
FS: Otogwe, Doughty, Moore (3)
CB: Hall, Wilson, Barnes, Buchanon, Westbrook, Thompson (6)

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ST: Sundberg, Rocca, Gano, Banks
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Pretty much agree with you with some possible changes.

1. Made a spot for OLB Markus White.
2. Sellers as backup for both FB and TE.
3. Paulsen cut.
4. Riley cut.
5. Alexander backup for both OLB and ILB.
6. Golston makes the team because he could move inside if needed.
7. Darrion Scott cut.
8. Banks used as KR only.

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Old 09-02-2011, 04:08 PM   #143
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I just don't see Banks as taking a WR spot. He's a KR/special teams player who, if pressed, can play a little WR/Scatback. He has his own slot and makes the team. Period.

Austin makes it as a WR who can be a back up PR/KR.

If they keep six WR's, to me, it's Paul on the bubble. I just don't see Stallworth on the team - you don't keep Stallworth as the 4th WR over Austin. The only reason to keep Stallworth is to have available in the 4th WR slot where he would see playing time pretty much every game. He is not a developmental guy who may get on the field (the 5th/6th WR spots) and Anderson easily played well enough to hold onto his WR3 spot. I think Stallworth, good pro that he is, is just the odd man out in this scenario.

Hankerson makes the team. Period.

To me Paul has shown enough to keep around in the 6th WR position. He would be protected and possibly get some game time there but not be relied upon as a producer. Paul would probably not survive for a resign to practice squad, whereas as the Marcus White, Mo Hurt, Nield or B. Thompson some other back end player probably would.
I think you might be crazy! J/K in all seriousness Banks is a mortal lock. You don't cut a player like Banks. He may be the best returner in the NFL RIGHT NOW. You cut him and he ends up playing you this year because he'd be one of the first cut players in the league to sign somewhere else. He undoubtedly gives you NOTHING else. It doesn't matter. They kept him last year before he proved how good he was. Now they're gonna cut him? Count me as totally unconvinced. I think he is on this team as much as Moss is.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:13 PM   #144
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It's funny how when special teams works, Banks (or another person) gets all the credit, but soon as it fails, Danny Smith is to blame. Did you guys see that hole last night on that punt return? I wished another returner had been back there so we could have seen if the results would have been the same.


Banks: 4.43 in the 40

Paul: 4.40 in the 40


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Banks was hurt I believe when he ran that 40.

Also straight away speed isn't the be all end all. Banks sets up his blocks well, makes good decisions, and is one of the quickest and most agile players through traffic in the league. He has IT. Whatever IT is he's got it when it comes to catching a ball and getting to top speed immediately and then making guys miss. He's an absolute threat to go to the house every time he has the ball.

I wouldn't hate Austin as a kick returner against most other KRs in the league...but against Banks he is a distant second to me.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:16 PM   #145
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I have been thinking that if Logan Paulson gets cut and cellars serves as our back up tight end and fullback. That would help them keep more runningbacks and recievers.
Paulsen is probably a lock too. There's not been much whispering that he gets cut.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:27 PM   #146
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QB: Beck, Grossman (2-No need for Clemens)
RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain (3-Royster to PS)
FB: Young (1-Sellers cut)
TE: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen (3)
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Paul, Banks (7-Banks is too valuable)
T: T. Williams, Locklear, Jamaal Brown (3)
G: Lichtensteiger, Chester, Hicks, Hurt (3-Capers to PS or cut outright)
C: Montgomery, Cook (2)

25

DE: Carriker, Bowen, Scott (3)
DT: Cofield, Bryant, Worthington (3)
OLB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Alexander (4)
ILB: Fletch, Rocky, Fox, Riley (4)
SS: Landry, Gomes (2-Horton is gone once Moore is activated from PUP)
FS: Otogwe, Doughty, Moore (3)
CB: Hall, Wilson, Barnes, Buchanon, Westbrook, Thompson (6)

25

ST: Sundberg, Rocca, Gano

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No way they keep seven wideouts. Last year they had six. I think Niles Paul is headed for the PS. I have no argument with your player selections -- though there has to be one more dude who makes it. Probably linebacker; last year they had nine.
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Banks is a lock, no other way around that. A guy punches in a 95 yarder, he's doing what he's hired to do and then some.

Rob Jackson did himself a lot of good last night, even if it was against the second stringers. I think it's going to be hard to keep him off the field.

The more I see Paulsen out there, the more I like him. He reminds me of one of those old school Redskins. He just shows up and puts in work. No flash, no sizzle but he he knows how to put a hat on his guy and move him.

Jammal Brown has very quietly had a solid preseason. Anytime his hip issues aren't flaring up, that's a good thing. I hope he can stay healthy down the stretch.

At this point, I think Donte Stallworth is really auditioning for a job on someone else's roster. Don't get me wrong, he'd be a great addition but he's simply not a part of our long-term plans and this year it's a numbers game at wide receiver. I'm pretty sure he'll land on his feet somewhere.

Mike Sellers had a really good last outing, but I still don't see where he fits at the expense of a marginal upgrade and letting go of someone really young that has a future in this league. I guess the question is what one position is Mike Sellers really impacting that hasn't already been locked down by someone else? I can't think of one. If the argument is depth, then I'm not sure that's a good enough argument to keep a 37 year old fullback.

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Old 09-02-2011, 04:42 PM   #148
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No way they keep seven wideouts. Last year they had six. I think Niles Paul is headed for the PS. I have no argument with your player selections -- though there has to be one more dude who makes it. Probably linebacker; last year they had nine.
Paul doesn't make it to the PS, another team will scoop him up on waivers. That's the only reason he stays on the 53 I think. With Banks, I agree with what KI Skins Fan said, he is really only a KR but WR is his position group. He won't see any actual time at WR though.
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Paul doesn't make it to the PS, another team will scoop him up on waivers. That's the only reason he stays on the 53 I think. With Banks, I agree with what KI Skins Fan said, he is really only a KR but WR is his position group. He won't see any actual time at WR though.
Well, if they do, I'm not exactly going to put a pistol in my mouth ... Niles Paul has good speed, good size, but there just weren't any absolute stand-out plays from him. (Same goes for Leonard Hankerson, btw) To me, that's the best way to make sure you don't get put on the practice squad.

His best chance would have been to take the place of Anthony Armstrong -- in my mind, he was the one guy among the "guaranteed to make the roster" who might have been on the outside looking in. But I just don't think that happened.
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Pretty much agree with you with some possible changes.

1. Made a spot for OLB Markus White.
2. Sellers as backup for both FB and TE.
3. Paulsen cut.
4. Riley cut.
5. Alexander backup for both OLB and ILB.
6. Golston makes the team because he could move inside if needed.
7. Darrion Scott cut.
8. Banks used as KR only.
Yep -- Riley. Didn't see much from him this time around. Granted, I'm not up until 4 am watching game tape, but from a fan stand point, he's not exactly what you would call *playmaker*.
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