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Old 08-25-2011, 10:42 AM   #61
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Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.
austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.
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who the hell is Gnomes?
Actually it's G-nomes...like in the hood?
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QB-Beck, Grossman, Clemens
RB-Hightower, Torain (if healthly), Helu, Royster (if Torain not healthly)
FB-Young, Sellers (more of a TE, but also backup FB)
TE-Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
WR-Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Stallworth, Austin, Banks
OL- Chester, Montgomery, Lichtensteiger, Brown, Williams
OL backups- Hicks, Oldenberg, Locklear

S-Otogwe, Landry, Doughty, Horton, Moore, Gomes
CB-Hall, Wilson, Buchanon, Barnes
ILB-Fletcher, McIntosh, Riley, Fox, Blades
OLB-Orakpo, Kerrigan, Alexander, Jackson
DL-Cofield, Bowen, Carriker, Jenkins, Bryant, Golston

This is actually 51, 1 too many if you include the 3 special teams players. Can't decide who else to cut. I'm going to say either stallworth or austin, but i think they both are kinda needed (is austin available for another year on the practice squad)?

I think alot of camp battles this offseason aren't even with players at their own positions. For example, the RBs TEs, and FBs I feel will duke it out for a spot.

The Wr's could be playing against the safeties (we have a bunch at both positions). And so on, but you get the point.
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DB drafted out of Nebraska.
is it a playful nickname? because his actual name is Gomes, there's no n lol.
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is it a playful nickname? because his actual name is Gomes, there's no n lol.
I think it is. Right now I'm forgetting his first name because I'm getting him twisted with Jonny Gomes who plays for the Nationals. Oh yeah his first name is Dejon. In this case I think one guy misspelled his name and others ran with it.
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austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.
Hankerson was a 3rd rounder and even if he was later I think he would still make this years roster just because of his upside.
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I think it is. Right now I'm forgetting his first name because I'm getting him twisted with Jonny Gomes who plays for the Nationals. Oh yeah his first name is Dejon. In this case I think one guy misspelled his name and others ran with it.
Even if this isn't the case I'm sure from this point forward he will be called Gnomes lol
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I see the resemblance. PS: Both players had their feet on the ground in this picture. LOL
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austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.
I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.
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Here's what I don't get. Austin is in his 2nd year, he seems to be really coming on, Armstrong played solid his first year starting, you drafted...Hank in the 3rd and then some projects later on. You bring back Moss. Banks is your stud return man and can play spot wr. Why in the hell would you bring in Gafney, Stallworth and try for Stockley? I really would want to ask Shanahan what the hell he's thinking with the wr's. I just don't get it. Have some confidence in the guys YOU drafted. And please...no one say.."well we didn't have OTA's and mini camps." That's a bunch of BS. No need for all those wr's.
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Here's what I don't get. Austin is in his 2nd year, he seems to be really coming on, Armstrong played solid his first year starting, you drafted...Hank in the 3rd and then some projects later on. You bring back Moss. Banks is your stud return man and can play spot wr. Why in the hell would you bring in Gafney, Stallworth and try for Stockley? I really would want to ask Shanahan what the hell he's thinking with the wr's. I just don't get it. Have some confidence in the guys YOU drafted. And please...no one say.."well we didn't have OTA's and mini camps." That's a bunch of BS. No need for all those wr's.
Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

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b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...
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Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

and

b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...
How can a rookie beat out Santana Moss for the second and a half receiver role? Moss got more first three years money than all but two FA wide receivers (Rice, Holmes), a bigger guarantee than all but four FA wide receivers (Rice, Holmes, Moore, Breaston), and an average per year higher than all but two FA WRs (Rice, Holmes). Put another way, Moss is making more than Chad Ochocinco is over the same length of terms. How can Terrance Austin beat THAT for playing time?

I'll tell you how: incriminating photographic evidence.

Or cell phone pictures of sleeping teammates.
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Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

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b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...
All rookies stumble though. It's called growing pains and Hank is going through them now. It's just something you have to deal with.
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