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Old 08-25-2011, 04:05 PM   #76
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Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

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b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...
How can a rookie beat out Santana Moss for the second and a half receiver role? Moss got more first three years money than all but two FA wide receivers (Rice, Holmes), a bigger guarantee than all but four FA wide receivers (Rice, Holmes, Moore, Breaston), and an average per year higher than all but two FA WRs (Rice, Holmes). Put another way, Moss is making more than Chad Ochocinco is over the same length of terms. How can Terrance Austin beat THAT for playing time?

I'll tell you how: incriminating photographic evidence.

Or cell phone pictures of sleeping teammates.
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Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

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b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...
All rookies stumble though. It's called growing pains and Hank is going through them now. It's just something you have to deal with.
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Redskins roster survey: Defense and special teams - The Insider - The Washington Post
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All rookies stumble though. It's called growing pains and Hank is going through them now. It's just something you have to deal with.
And you deal with it by putting vets there who understand that while they want to start they are also setting examples and roles that help the rookies understand the NFL game better.
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I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.
I'd take that bet.

We don't have another WR that adjusts as well to the ball as santana, and he's been productive. I think austin may creep onto the field before pauls blows it up, and i really haven't seen much out of robinson to think much either way.
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Austin makes the team, and to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if he's our Santana Moss in a few years, and takes over the #3 spot late this year, and into next year.

He looks really electric out there and is always pushing for that extra yard while holding on to the ball. I don't want to jinx him, but I haven't seen him drop a pass since he's been in the preseason last year.

I'm pumped for the guy. He looks like a future star.
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Defensive line : NTs Barry Cofield, Anthony Bryant, DEs Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Jarvis Jenkins, Kedric Golston, Darrion Scott, and since JJ is on the IR soon.. Chris Neild

Linebackers : OLBs Bryan Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Lorenzo Alexander, Rob Jackson and ILBs London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Perry Riley and Keyaron Fox

Safety : LaRon Landry, Oshiomogho Atogwe, Reed Doughty Kareem Moore, DeJon Gomes

Cornerback : DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, Phillip Buchanon, Byron Westbrook, and on the bubble since P.Buc will be missing 4 games... Brandyn Thompson

Kicker: Graham Gano

Returner : Terrence Austin
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Quarterback : John Beck, Rex Grossman

Running back : Tim Hightower, Roy Helu, Ryan Torain

Fullback : Darrel Young, Williams

Wide receiver : Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Austin, Stallworth, Hankerson

Tight end : Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

Offensive line : LT Trent Williams, LG Kory Lichtensteiger, C Will Montgomery, RG Chris Chester and RT Jammal Brown, G Artis Hicks, T Sean Locklear, C/G Erik Cook
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Quarterback : John Beck, Rex Grossman

Running back : Tim Hightower, Roy Helu, Ryan Torain

Fullback : Darrel Young, Williams

Wide receiver : Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Austin, Stallworth, Hankerson

Tight end : Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

Offensive line : LT Trent Williams, LG Kory Lichtensteiger, C Will Montgomery, RG Chris Chester and RT Jammal Brown, G Artis Hicks, T Sean Locklear, C/G Erik Cook
I completely agree with this except I think Paul will be our 6th WR instead of Stallworth.
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Me too

Wideouts:
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Gaffney
Armstrong
Austn

Most Likely:
Hankerson
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Re: Camp Battles- The journey to 53

One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.
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One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.
Wouldn't that be a pretty big project? I don't think he's ever played DE. I mean I'm not saying I don't like the idea, I like the guy. But what is going to happen when they need depth early in the season if he still isn't ready to get game work in?
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Me too

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When did we sign Pail. LOL
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One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.
It would be worth a try. Especially if it keeps him off the PS.
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I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.
I think some are confused about the status of Sellers because his role has changed somewhat, he's been working as TE/HB/FB and view it as a sign the end could be near for him. His versatility should keep him around.

Stallworth is probably favored because we've seen so little production from the WR draft class.
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