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Old 09-02-2011, 12:18 PM   #361
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I doubt the Giants will do anything different no matter who starts at QB.
Maybe not, but both guys bring different skill sets to the table. It at least gives the Giants some uncertainty.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:20 PM   #362
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Giants have had our number recently, but I don't think they're invincible. I like our chances.

'Bout time for a Week One prediction thread, isn't it?
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:25 PM   #363
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If Shanahan remains true to the "best player" plays philosophy Grossman will be named the starter.

If the team is witness to a sham QB battle in which the better player gets benched how exactly does that benefit this "new culture" they are promoting over at Redskins Park?
If Shanahan shares the same opinion regarding who is the better player, of course.

If he doesn't see it that way, you're assuming it's a sham QB battle?
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:41 PM   #364
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If Shanahan shares the same opinion regarding who is the better player, of course.

If he doesn't see it that way, you're assuming it's a sham QB battle?
Plus the question of 'best player' is vague. Best player in Week One or best player for the 2011 season, because those are probably different answers. The better QB to start 9 days from now is probably Grossman. However, the better QB for the team as the season evolves is probably Beck because he has a higher upside, more for defenses to consider with his mobility and will only develop further with time and experience.

That's why my opinion is he will go with Beck because it will not only frame 2011 but decisions beyond. Grossman's track record is already established. He's Good Rex-Bad Rex, 275, 2 TD-0 INT one week, 137, 0 TD-3 INT and a fumble the next. That will drive Shanny crazy over 16 weeks.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:43 PM   #365
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I tend to think letting him play is more proof that Beck is the man. He hasn't started a regular season game in 4 years and didn't get much of a training camp this year, so he's getting his snaps to get more comfortable. That's my take.
From what Beck said on Redskins Post Game Live yesterday it seems like he thinks that's the case as well. Since according to him they said he was gonna play because he missed the snaps he would have had in the first game.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:44 PM   #366
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Maybe not, but both guys bring different skill sets to the table. It at least gives the Giants some uncertainty.
I'll admit I'm not an expert QB evaluator like a lot of people on this site but I just dont see much difference in Beck & Rex. Sure Beck is a bit more mobile but its not that big a difference. I could see needing to plan differently if the Skins had a choice of starting a Vick-style QB or a pocket passer who do totally different things but that's not the case here. Heck, I'm sure Shanny will do anything different with the O no matter who starts.
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Meh, maybe, maybe not. I think they just wanted to get Beck some extra work. That's about as far as I would look into that. If that was truly the case why was the starting OL out there?

Yeah, I changed that stance a bit after I made that comment. Usually 1 + 1 = 2, but not so much in Shanny's case. I like how he basically conceals and misdirects so much stuff that nobody really knows on what he's going to do. It's refreshing, and the exact same thing Bellicheat does.
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I'll admit I'm not an expert QB evaluator like a lot of people on this site but I just dont see much difference in Beck & Rex. Sure Beck is a bit more mobile but its not that big a difference. I could see needing to plan differently if the Skins had a choice of starting a Vick-style QB or a pocket passer who do totally different things but that's not the case here. Heck, I'm sure Shanny will do anything different with the O no matter who starts.
The mobility factor is a pretty big one IMO. Rex has none, Beck has a lot.

With Beck in there they can run the bootleg play-action stuff and the Giants will actually have to respect it. It also helps sell the stretch running game too.

Rex is a statue in the pocket, Beck adds a lot more athleticism and can make plays outside of the pocket on the run.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:20 PM   #369
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Stretch play right. Stretch play left. Play action bootleg.
There is no uncertainty at this level of football.
Our coaches and the opposing coaches have seen everything.
They are not re-inventing the wheel.
Not naming a starter until the last minute has little to do about trickery or game planning. More to do about the fairly equal but different types of Qb's. It is a position competition until the last play in preseason.

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If Shanahan remains true to the "best player" plays philosophy Grossman will be named the starter.

If the team is witness to a sham QB battle in which the better player gets benched how exactly does that benefit this "new culture" they are promoting over at Redskins Park?
How does Grossman prove "best player" both played very close in terms of qb rating (not sure where Beck's ended up after yesterday) and Beck fits the offensive scheme better than Grossman does.

Personally, I think it is a push as to the "best player" so then you add in intangibles and it gets even muddier.

I don't see the choice proving or disproving the "new culture"

But at least we have a new qb argument that can rage on since JC is gone. yay
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:28 PM   #371
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The mobility factor is a pretty big one IMO. Rex has none, Beck has a lot.

With Beck in there they can run the bootleg play-action stuff and the Giants will actually have to respect it. It also helps sell the stretch running game too.

Rex is a statue in the pocket, Beck adds a lot more athleticism and can make plays outside of the pocket on the run.
That all sounds good but in the end its Beck who will be doing those things and at this point I just dont see any coach losing sleep over whether Beck will shred their D with his play action and roll outs. That might change when Nov rolls around, but I have a hard time believeing that Beck is this undiscovered gem who's been over-looked for 4 years.

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That all sounds good but in the end its Beck who will be doing those things and at this point I just dont see any coach losing sleep over whether Beck will shred their D with his play action and roll outs. That might change when Nov rolls around, time will tell.
I never said the Giants will be losing sleep over this, just the simple point both QBs bring something different to the table, enough to where their gameplan may vary, even just a little, depending on who plays.

You know how this league is, if a coach sees any sort of advantage, no matter how small, they will try to take advantage of it. That's why Shanahan is probably going to wait til the last minute to name a starter.
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We are not a Sb contender. Give the starting position to Beck and lets see what he does. If he fails you can fall back on a veteran. If you start Grossman and he fails, you are putting in an unknown. I would start Beck. We have nothing to lose.

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I never said the Giants will be losing sleep over this, just the simple point both QBs bring something different to the table, enough to where their gameplan may vary, even just a little, depending on who plays.

You know how this league is, if a coach sees any sort of advantage, no matter how small, they will try to take advantage of it. That's why Shanahan is probably going to wait til the last minute to name a starter.
Good point, I guess the minimal advantage lies more in the unknown rather than the actual person playing QB.
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Good point, I guess the minimal advantage lies more in the unknown rather than the actual person playing QB.
Yeah guess that's what I was getting at in a round about way.
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