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John Beck 123 73.65%
Rex Grossman 44 26.35%
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:47 AM   #526
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This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.
Agreed.

We have a good crop of draft picks for the 2012 draft. Currently, we have our top 5 picks, an extra 4th(Raiders), the Vikings 6th (but not ours), and our 7th - with one unknown late round pick going to Arizona for TH. Not enough to get to the #1 over all, but certainly, we could use a package of this years, plus maybe a mid range(2-4th) next year as flexibility to move up to a position that lets us get one the top 3 qb's. I was going to lament that many other teams would be looking for QB's, but honestly, I could only name 4 other than us that might spend a 1st round pick on someone not named Luck - Indy(although I think they are primarily going to go after Luck), Miami, and Seahawks. Denver and/or Cleveland might depending on how the season goes.
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:47 AM   #527
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So then it begs the question, are you requesting the team tank the year to get high enough in the draft to pick said 2nd or 3rd best QB? I don't want to see us tank because there are fans out there who would be shouting for MS to be fired and someone else brought in.

I too agree with you that our franchise QB is not on the roster though. I don't know who said it or wrote it but I had seen or heard somewhere that it might take like 3, 1st round draft picks to move up to 1st place. I'm not for that either. But whoever the team is eyeing has to be mobile as all get out and have a strong arm to throw deep.

The other side of the coin is if the team is just not all there yet and yeah we might make the play offs but no much farther then I'd also like to see us playing the young WR's more to get them ready for next year also. Why each week one Rookie WR can't be active to get playing time is a wonder to me.
No, I dont approve of the suck for Luck or suck for any other QB for that matter. I think we'll end up near the middle of the pack any way and will have to trade up to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB. I hate giving away picks in a trade but I dont see any other way.
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Why did you think that would be interesting? Honest question, after all there was a poll where I believe a large majority wanted Beck but a substantial minority wanted Grossman. Also, not many of us(if any) are sold on Beck or Grossman leading this team after this year, and so why would a thread where a fan base comes to accept the decision made by their team be of any exciting interest? Again, seriously wondering what made you think it.
The HC named the QB before the season started and 7 weeks later there is a change sometimes it's interesting to go back and look at what fans said then as oppose to what they say now.Some people predicted this, ......like it or not it is interesting.
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The HC named the QB before the season started and 7 weeks later there is a change sometimes it's interesting to go back and look at what fans said then as oppose to what they say now.Some people predicted this, ......like it or not it is interesting.
fair enough. I really just wondered what your reasoning was.
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Here's another opinion of the situation...

Why Mike Shanahan may start Grossman over Beck

Grossman may have thrown a ton of INT's but I also have seen a ton of balls that should have been caught or the receiver should have made and attempt to go up after the ball and or fight for it. Our receivers are not the type to go up and challenge for a ball in the air. Heck our receivers are not the types to be told the ball will be in the center of the field on the 10 yard line go get it. I wish we did have those types of WR's but we don't. Which is why I can see Beck throwing just as many INT's as Grossman because although Beck has a stronger arm and will throw the ball farther.... I can see where the receiver's won't go after the ball and the other teams Safeties or CB's will.
This is a very good point that I have though for awhile but didnt know how to put it into words. The Skins WRs just dont go after balls and that has resulted in some missed opportunities. The QB is ultimately responsible for the ball but there is a lot that goes into the result such as the WRs and O line. Right now the Skins WRs arent much to brag about and the O line is now decimated so Rex or Beck, it wont much matter.
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This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.
Yep. A first this year and next as well as a third or possibly a second, or a first and a third this year, or even a first and a second this year would be a small price to pay to pick an elite quarterback that gives us an excellent shot at winning multiple Super Bowls.
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No, I dont approve of the suck for Luck or suck for any other QB for that matter. I think we'll end up near the middle of the pack any way and will have to trade up to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB. I hate giving away picks in a trade but I dont see any other way.
Hard to suck for Luck anyways when teams like the Dolphins and Colts suck so hard they are the frontrunners for him anyway.
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Rex has had 9 Int's (League High) in the last 4 games, IDT Beck can be any worse lol
I'd just like to point out that it's not an anomilly.....

Brady- 8 Int's 2012
Brees- 8 Int's 2012
Newton- 9 Int's 2012
EManning- 5 Int's 2012
Romo- 6 Int's 2012
Roethlisberger- 6 Int's 2012
Vick- 8 Int's 2012
Rivers- 7 Int's 2012
Grossman- 9 Int's 2012

So I guess what your saying is because he has 9 Int's in the last 4 games he sucks which essentially your saying these other QB's suck also correct? I don't think you can base a QB's product totally off his interception per game ratio. Heck just about each of these QB's have already had one horrid game so if you dump Grossman's bad game last week he would only have 5 Int for the season.... pretty much right up there if not better then the rest of the QB's.

This was for all you statistical people out there.

EDIT: I said 2012 and I meant this year 2011 sorry.

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I'd just like to point out that it's not an anomilly.....

Brady- 8 Int's 2012
Brees- 8 Int's 2012
Newton- 9 Int's 2012
EManning- 5 Int's 2012
Romo- 6 Int's 2012
Roethlisberger- 6 Int's 2012
Vick- 8 Int's 2012
Rivers- 7 Int's 2012
Grossman- 9 Int's 2012

So I guess what your saying is because he has 9 Int's in the last 4 games he sucks which essentially your saying these other QB's suck also correct? I don't think you can base a QB's product totally off his interception per game ratio. Heck just about each of these QB's have already had one horrid game so if you dump Grossman's bad game last week he would only have 5 Int for the season.... pretty much right up there if not better then the rest of the QB's.

This was for all you statistical people out there.

EDIT: I said 2012 and I meant this year 2011 sorry.
Good post. I'll cut off the people who are all, "don't compare Grossman to Brady!" people at the front: you're missing the point.
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Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game.
Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game.
Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games.
Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game.
Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game.

I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.
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Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game.
Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game.
Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games.
Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game.
Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game.

I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.
But I would bet my life that most Redskins fans would trade Grossman for any one of the QB's you listed above... Not trying to be a smart ass ,but just sayn brother.
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Good post. I'll cut off the people who are all, "don't compare Grossman to Brady!" people at the front: you're missing the point.

LOL, I presume the point is ..... we just want to hate someone to hate someone and poor Grossman drew the short straw from the beginning. So no matter how well or how poor he would have done it's been about finding away to get Beck on the field.

Never mind that fact that other, supposedly more talented QB's, have done the exact same thing he has and no one would even think about trading them out for the 2nd stringer. All I'm saying is don't ask for change based on the INT's given up. Because I'm almost ready to bet Beck will hit the field Sun. and do just as bad because the WR's can't catch a cold like last Sun. against the Eagles. There have been a lot of catchable passes that the WR's failed to catch each week also. Some of them should have been for TD's.
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Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game.
Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game.
Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games.
Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game.
Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game.

I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.

Yeah well Rex Grossman isn't even on the same Planet as these 5 above. So that argument isn't too strong my friend.
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For the record I don't hate Rex Grossman and I wanted him to be a good QB for us but he's just not, 9INTs in 4 games? CMON folks
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But I would bet my life that most Redskins fans would trade Grossman for any one of the QB's you listed above... Not trying to be a smart ass ,but just sayn brother.
and... I would also. But my point is everyone is all over putting Beck in simply because of the INT's each game.

All I'm saying is there are other QB's that are just as bad with the interceptions. Now the next arguement is going to be that he's not putting points on the board and as I said there have been plenty of balls that should have been caught for a TD but were not because they were dropped.

Maybe if the team had decent WR's those dropped balls would be TD's and we would not be having to talk about the lack of points on the board. But I'm sure Beck will come in and fix this issue (how I don't know) no different then anyone of those top ranked QB's would be able to come in and fix our problems.
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