Who do you want to start at QB?

Mattyk · 10-18-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well after the 59-28 loss last year MS said he was going to toss out the film and not watch it because there was nothing to get out of it.

Now we hear Rex say you have to throw that game away. Now he might not have meant it in that context and I could be wrong but, no you can't just avoid watching it because it was an extremely bad game and you don't think your that bad.

I can see tossing last year's game. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

I don't see where Rex said anything about not watching this one though, he's just saying he's not going to dwell on it.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rex sucks, let's just call it what it is. Guys like Brady have worked with no-name WR corps in the past and had success. Our WRs aren't world beaters but the cupboard is far from bare too.

and I agree with that. My whole arguement is Beck will not be that much better. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. I'm also starting to believe that the coaching staff has the receivers starting at point A and running their routes to point B and the ball "will" be at point B. If the WR gets bumped off his route we see missed catches, dropped balls, interceptions.

All those other QB's have systems to include PManning in which they throw the deep ball and the WR has to go after it, locate it, and catch it. Yeah we practiced the corner post and we see more of it now then last year but again we don't see the WR actually going after the ball unless it's right in their hands. Moss is a little better at this, but the others are not that good at doing it.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I can see tossing last year's game. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

I don't see where Rex said anything about not watching this one though, he's just saying he's not going to dwell on it.

Gotcha. Well they need to go back and watch both and see if there is any similarities. Clearly the Eagles watched it and exploited the weaknesses.

hooskins · 10-18-2011, 03:39 PM

To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey.

So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs.

Shadowbyte · 10-18-2011, 03:40 PM

All I know is Shanny is 0 for 2 as far as QB's are concerned. How many more are we going to go through until we find "our-guy"? QB is now the most difficult and expensive position to fill in today's NFL. The only way you're going to get one is either finishing with an abysmal record, like the Lions, Rams, Panthers, Atlanta etc. or you have to take a chance on a mid-first rounder that comes at a high cost and a greater probability to fail.

Last but not least you can go with the nuclear option by giving up 2 to 3 first round picks to trade up or trade for someone outright. There's no easy decisions here. One way or another no good QB comes without great sacrifice, 6th and 7th rounders like Brady and Montana are once a generation, so finding someone that deep isn't a reliable option.

Mattyk · 10-18-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

and I agree with that. My whole arguement is Beck will not be that much better. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. I'm also starting to believe that the coaching staff has the receivers starting at point A and running their routes to point B and the ball "will" be at point B. If the WR gets bumped off his route we see missed catches, dropped balls, interceptions.

All those other QB's have systems to include PManning in which they throw the deep ball and the WR has to go after it, locate it, and catch it. Yeah we practiced the corner post and we see more of it now then last year but again we don't see the WR actually going after the ball unless it's right in their hands. Moss is a little better at this, but the others are not that good at doing it.

All he has to do is not give the ball away a couple of times per game and he will be a big improvement over Rex.

Mattyk · 10-18-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey.

So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs.

I can give him a pass on the 1st INT and perhaps even the third. Still, fact is his decision making has been piss poor. And it seems the more he struggles, the more mistakes he makes. INT #4 sent me through the roof. He should have just thrown it out of bounds. Rex throwing on the run is bad news.

hooskins · 10-18-2011, 03:54 PM

I am just trying to honestly assess the game a few days after. I am not as pissed off now lol.

The thing about Rex that bothers me more is that doesn't take the easier/shorter route at times. I've noticed our RBs tend to be open in the flats. Also he can really telegraph his passes at times

SmootSmack · 10-18-2011, 04:02 PM

When you watch the game tape. And this may sound weird, but there are times when the completions are more frustrating than the interceptions. Like there are completions, and then there are good completions. He lately has had more of the former.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

All he has to do is not give the ball away a couple of times per game and he will be a big improvement over Rex.

This

Giantone · 10-18-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

and..... the others have not?

Brady- 151 games, 111 INT's.
Brees- 144 games, 140 INT's.
EManning- 111 games, 118 INT's.
Stafford- 19 games, 25 INT's.
Roethlisberger- 105 games, 92 INT's.
Vick- 104 games, 66 INT's.

Grossman- 46 games, 49 INT's.

I'm soo glad EManning and Stafford suck just as much as Grossman. I wonder when those respected teams will start chanting for the 2nd stringer.

I agree Eli is not Brady,Brees or even his brother but anyone that thinks he and Rex are equal....needs their head examine.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree Eli is not Brady,Brees or even his brother but anyone that thinks he and Rex are equal....needs their head examine.

Thank u

Bucket · 10-18-2011, 06:33 PM

How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.

Trent Green, Tony Romo and others would argue for Beck

Defensewins · 10-18-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.

I agree.
Frankly I am tired of all the (I think I am an expert on QB's) on this sight that make predictions about Qb's that have barely taken and NFL snap. Cam Newton is the most obvious person to point to.
All effing off season I had to endure listening to some idiots talking about how they were 100% sure Cam Newton will be terrible in the NFL. Failure.
Before that. some of those 'experts' were saying Jimmy Clausen was going to be the best pro in his draft class and he was the most pro ready Qb coming out that year. He is now third string behind rookie Cam Newton.

Beck is also unknown. He started a few games for a terrible Dolphins team. Lets give him a look. That is all I ask.

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10-18-2011, 03:39 PM	#544
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 26 Posts: 8,568	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey. So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs. __________________ Vacancy

10-18-2011, 03:40 PM	#545
Shadowbyte Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 383	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? All I know is Shanny is 0 for 2 as far as QB's are concerned. How many more are we going to go through until we find "our-guy"? QB is now the most difficult and expensive position to fill in today's NFL. The only way you're going to get one is either finishing with an abysmal record, like the Lions, Rams, Panthers, Atlanta etc. or you have to take a chance on a mid-first rounder that comes at a high cost and a greater probability to fail. Last but not least you can go with the nuclear option by giving up 2 to 3 first round picks to trade up or trade for someone outright. There's no easy decisions here. One way or another no good QB comes without great sacrifice, 6th and 7th rounders like Brady and Montana are once a generation, so finding someone that deep isn't a reliable option.

10-18-2011, 03:54 PM	#548
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 26 Posts: 8,568	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? I am just trying to honestly assess the game a few days after. I am not as pissed off now lol. The thing about Rex that bothers me more is that doesn't take the easier/shorter route at times. I've noticed our RBs tend to be open in the flats. Also he can really telegraph his passes at times __________________ Vacancy

10-18-2011, 04:02 PM	#549
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,220	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? When you watch the game tape. And this may sound weird, but there are times when the completions are more frustrating than the interceptions. Like there are completions, and then there are good completions. He lately has had more of the former. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-18-2011, 06:33 PM	#553
Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad. You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL. __________________ HTTR Redskin Fan since '88 Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero

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