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Old 10-18-2011, 07:46 PM   #556
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I agree.
Frankly I am tired of all the (I think I am an expert on QB's) on this sight that make predictions about Qb's that have barely taken and NFL snap. Cam Newton is the most obvious person to point to.
All effing off season I had to endure listening to some idiots talking about how they were 100% sure Cam Newton will be terrible in the NFL. Failure.
Before that. some of those 'experts' were saying Jimmy Clausen was going to be the best pro in his draft class and he was the most pro ready Qb coming out that year. He is now third string behind rookie Cam Newton.

Beck is also unknown. He started a few games for a terrible Dolphins team. Lets give him a look. That is all I ask.
You're going to have to explain the John Beck's unknown = Cam Newton's unknown a little bit further. It seems to break down once you move past "I'm enraged with that thing people thought."

There's a decade of age difference there.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:48 PM   #557
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You're going to have to explain the John Beck's unknown = Cam Newton's unknown a little bit further. It seems to break down once you move past "I'm enraged with that thing people thought."

There's a decade of age difference there.
How many games has Beck started?
Haw many has Cam started?
I don't care how old a player is, if they have not played extensively like Grossman, we do not know how they will do until they get in there and play more.

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How many games has Beck started?
Haw many has Cam started?
In college, a bunch.

I don't really see the perspective you're selling me. You're trying to link Grossman-Beck with Clausen-Newton. But how many games has Clausen started? How about Grossman?

We don't really know anything about Clausen compared to Grossman. But we knew Cam Newton was the first overall pick and was going to get a shot. All we know about John Beck is that his teammates don't think he's that good and he lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman.

Maybe you're right that he deserves a shot to fail, but that's not exactly the same thing with Cam Newton. People doubted Cam Newton's ability to play in the NFL. But no one thought the Panthers should just play him to get it over with. But, yet, that's the argument for Beck.
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I don't care how old a player is, if they have not played extensively like Grossman, we do not know how they will do until they get in there and play more.
If you don't care about age, how is John Beck different from Jimmy Clausen?
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This is not college football so that Beck started a 'bunch of games in college' does not mean a thing.
The point I was making on my initial post is some on this sight were so quick to say this off season that Cam Newton will not be a good NFL Qb even before he was drafted and took an NFL snap. Some people said Jimmy Clausen was a can't miss NFL Qb and would be the best QB of his draft class, before he ever took an NFL snap.
John Beck has started 4 NFL regular season games all for the Miami Dolphins adn people are claiming to know he is this or that. Jimmy Clausen has started 10 games and he is only in his second year. Age has nothing to do with experience.

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This is not college football.
The point I was making on my initial post is some on this sight were so quick to say Cam Newton will be a failure in the NFL even before he was drafted and took an NFL snap. Some people said Jimmy Clausen was a can't miss NFL Qb and would be the best QB of his draft class, before he ever took an NFL snap.
John Beck has started 4 NFL regular season games all for the Miami Dolphins adn people are claiming to know he is this or that. Jimmy Clausen has started 10 games and he is only in his second year. Age has nothing to do with experience.
What I'm hearing though (and you should correct me if I'm wrong) is that Beck hasn't played and people shouldn't write him off until he played. And then I'm also hearing you say that Jimmy Clausen sucks and that he deserves to sit behind Cam Newton because Newton was ultra promising and Clausen never was. You've written off other's opinions of Jimmy Clausen because he struggled in 10 games, and in the same post, you're defending Beck on the grounds of that we just really don't know anything anyway.

Look, I think there's a small chance that you're right on both accounts. There's a tiny chance that Beck is really, really good, and Clausen just sucks. And you can probably find an expert (try Mel Kiper) who believes exactly the opposite and you can laugh in his face, that non-believer. Cam's great! What is that fool thinking?!

What I'm missing is I don't understand the issue you're taking with people who predicted early failures for Cam Newton, and why that's proof positive of John Beck deserving a better opportunity than he's gotten. There are people who are biased against college spread quarterbacks and people who are biased against inexperienced college players and the Carolina Panthers proved to be neither when they took him first overall. But no one except a couple of Redskin coaches and various talking heads believe in John Beck. And that's not at all the same as Cam Newton and his eight figure signing bonus.
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We can't say for sure what Beck can/will do. But I wish we'd dispel this notion that he's Cam Newton entering this season. Beck isn't a rookie who's never taken an NFL snap. And the notion that he's Romo or Trent Green. He wasn't an undrafted free agent. He wasn't even someone who has been grooomed under one team under the time was right like Rodgers or even Kolb.

He's Brady Quinn. That's essentially what he is right now, Brady Quinn. A top 40 pick who has not yet found his place in the league, but it won't be with the team that drafted him. And yeah he played on a bad Dolphins team. So what. That's what happens to most good young quarterbacks on bad teams
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What I'm hearing though (and you should correct me if I'm wrong) is that Beck hasn't played and people shouldn't write him off until he played. And then I'm also hearing you say that Jimmy Clausen sucks and that he deserves to sit behind Cam Newton because Newton was ultra promising and Clausen never was. You've written off other's opinions of Jimmy Clausen because he struggled in 10 games, and in the same post, you're defending Beck on the grounds of that we just really don't know anything anyway.

Look, I think there's a small chance that you're right on both accounts. There's a tiny chance that Beck is really, really good, and Clausen just sucks. And you can probably find an expert (try Mel Kiper) who believes exactly the opposite and you can laugh in his face, that non-believer. Cam's great! What is that fool thinking?!

What I'm missing is I don't understand the issue you're taking with people who predicted early failures for Cam Newton, and why that's proof positive of John Beck deserving a better opportunity than he's gotten. There are people who are biased against college spread quarterbacks and people who are biased against inexperienced college players and the Carolina Panthers proved to be neither when they took him first overall. But no one except a couple of Redskin coaches and various talking heads believe in John Beck. And that's not at all the same as Cam Newton and his eight figure signing bonus.
You are wrong, I am not saying that.
Clausen does not suck. He may end up being a great nfl Qb. We do not know yet. But people were claiming Clausen ready to play in the NFL before he was drafted. I do not agree with making those kind of statements.
All I am saying is you can not definitively judge a QB that has started 4 games or has stared zero games. .

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We can't say for sure what Beck can/will do. But I wish we'd dispel this notion that he's Cam Newton entering this season. Beck isn't a rookie who's never taken an NFL snap. And the notion that he's Romo or Trent Green. He wasn't an undrafted free agent. He wasn't even someone who has been grooomed under one team under the time was right like Rodgers or even Kolb.

He's Brady Quinn. That's essentially what he is right now, Brady Quinn. A top 40 pick who has not yet found his place in the league, but it won't be with the team that drafted him. And yeah he played on a bad Dolphins team. So what. That's what happens to most good young quarterbacks on bad teams
That is all I am trying to say. People say we know what he have. We do not. He might surprise, he might fail. He might be very average. We will see. That is great.
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You are wrong, I am not saying that. Clausen does not suck. He may end up being a great nfl Qb. All I am saying is you can not definitively judge a QB that has started 4 games.
Fair enough.

It is my opinion that if you start compiling all of the available evidence, you probably can judge John Beck pretty accurately. Four games? Probably not enough to say either way. Beck has been in the league five years though and has appeared in five games. Which means that some jerk of a coach (or coaches) is going out of his way to not play him. And if Shanahan names Rex the QB tomorrow, you can add him to those list of coaches who conspires secretly to not give John Beck a shot. My opinion (and its simply another opinion, like yours) is that, okay, Beck may or may not deserve to be named the QB this week, but people are expecting way too much from John Beck or the idea of John Beck.

All Beck has proven is that he deeply, truly loves the game of football. And it's hard to tell a guy like that "no, you can't play", though a bunch of NFL coaches have done exactly that. Nothing with Beck is definitive. With Grossman, sure, a lot has been shown definitively.
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Where did Redskin players say that don't think Beck is very good? I've never seen that. Sometimes Gtripp, I think you make up stuff to make a point lol.

We don't know what we can get with Beck, but we know what we are getting from Grossman, and it's not very much. I firmly believe that Beck can do no worse then what Grossman has done for us this year. I do believe that he can add another element to our offense that desperately needs it right now.
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He's Brady Quinn. That's essentially what he is right now, Brady Quinn. A top 40 pick who has not yet found his place in the league, but it won't be with the team that drafted him. And yeah he played on a bad Dolphins team. So what. That's what happens to most good young quarterbacks on bad teams
I see what you did there. Very smooth.
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Where did Redskin players say that don't think Beck is very good? I've never seen that. Sometimes Gtripp, I think you make up stuff to make a point lol.

We don't know what we can get with Beck, but we know what we are getting from Grossman, and it's not very much. I firmly believe that Beck can do no worse then what Grossman has done for us this year. I do believe that he can add another element to our offense that desperately needs it right now.
Well if you are allowing me to speak for the Redskins players, then I really am just making stuff up. If you actually interpret their comments, then I'm just reading between the lines.
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I see what you did there. Very smooth.
Um...I don't even think I see what I did there...guess you read between the lines?
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Well if you are allowing me to speak for the Redskins players, then I really am just making stuff up. If you actually interpret their comments, then I'm just reading between the lines.
I must of missed these comments then. I've seen players say they follow whoever is behind center. Even Moss defended Grossman at first, but said he has faith in Beck or Grossman.

Maybe you're just a great interpreter :cool-smil


6TD/9Int and 11 total turnovers this year in 5 games. Worse rating in the NFL as a QB, and I believe he's in the bottom of the new QBR system as well... I don't think Shanny has all this faith he says he has in Grossman. I believe that Grossman is Kyle's guy and that's who he wants to play because he "won" the preseason competition.

I really do think Beck will play this year, but I have a feeling Grossman will be the starter on Sunday. A coach's meeting, and Kyle telling his dad that his guy had one bad game, etc etc...

I hope i'm wrong, and I could be because this is all opinionated guesses. For all I know, Shanny will announce Beck the starting QB because his mobility and quick release give us the best chance to win behind a injured Oline.

Who knows... All I know is on the first few snaps of the Eagles game. The roll out returned and was effective to an extent. That's the offense I wan't to see. I still watch Houston games because watching the way the offense is suppose to run is beautiful.
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