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John Beck 123 73.65%
Rex Grossman 44 26.35%
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:21 PM   #556
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Pick #3 intended for Davis seemed like it was FD's fault all the way.

Anyone notice after that pick they showed Cooley talking to Rex on the sideline, probably asking him what happened. Rex says something and you could see Cooley say "F that". I'm assuming Rex probably said Davis effed up the route.
Grossman Puts Eagles Game In the Past

INT No. 3: Eighth drive, the Redskins trailed 21-6 and face a second-and-12 at the Eaglesí 21-yard line. Formation was 4WR-ORB-1WR. Four-man rush vs. five-man protection. Grossman again looked for Davis on deep post but the tape intimates that Davis hesitated on breaking off his route, which allowed Coleman to make his second interception.

Grossman: ďSome of these, you have to trust the other people to make a cut to cross a safetyís face. Iím not saying Fred didnít do that but when things are tight, you have to make a quick decision and I was trusting he was going to make a cut. But he wasnít able to.Ē

Our guess: Hearing Grossmanís post-game session, it guaranteed further examination and the Davisí hiccup showed what was going on. Add to that Shanahanís short reveal that a benching depends on who is at fault equals that Davis made the error and earned Grossman another series.
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Re: Who do you want to start at QB?

Who says they're not going back and watching the game?
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Here is the real stat to look at. TD to INT comparison.

Brady- 151 games, 277 TD's to 111 INT's.
Brees- 144 games, 248 TD's to 140 INT's

Grossman- 46 games, 46 TD's to 49 INT's.

Stafford - 19 games 34 TD's to 25 INT's
EMannig 11 games 167 TD's to 118 INT's

Grossman is not good. Period.
One small correction, EManning had 111 games.

No I agree with you. My point is do you really think any of those QB's would do any better in this offense with the same WR's Rex has had? I'll be man enough to admit they might have a little better results, but look at their skills. Each one of them I'd say are accurate on the short routes no different then Grossman. Where the difference is, is that the other QB's can throw up the deep ball and they have WR's who will locate the ball in the air and run to where its going to be. For whatever reason if the ball is not right in the bread basket for our WR's they don't catch it. and.... even if it is in the bread basket they drop it half the time.
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One small correction, EManning had 111 games.

No I agree with you. My point is do you really think any of those QB's would do any better in this offense with the same WR's Rex has had? I'll be man enough to admit they might have a little better results, but look at their skills. Each one of them I'd say are accurate on the short routes no different then Grossman. Where the difference is, is that the other QB's can throw up the deep ball and they have WR's who will locate the ball in the air and run to where its going to be. For whatever reason if the ball is not right in the bread basket for our WR's they don't catch it. and.... even if it is in the bread basket they drop it half the time.
Rex sucks, let's just call it what it is. Guys like Brady have worked with no-name WR corps in the past and had success. Our WRs aren't world beaters but the cupboard is far from bare too.
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Who says they're not going back and watching the game?
Well after the 59-28 loss last year MS said he was going to toss out the film and not watch it because there was nothing to get out of it.

Now we hear Rex say you have to throw that game away. Now he might not have meant it in that context and I could be wrong but, no you can't just avoid watching it because it was an extremely bad game and you don't think your that bad.
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Well after the 59-28 loss last year MS said he was going to toss out the film and not watch it because there was nothing to get out of it.

Now we hear Rex say you have to throw that game away. Now he might not have meant it in that context and I could be wrong but, no you can't just avoid watching it because it was an extremely bad game and you don't think your that bad.
I can see tossing last year's game. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

I don't see where Rex said anything about not watching this one though, he's just saying he's not going to dwell on it.
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Rex sucks, let's just call it what it is. Guys like Brady have worked with no-name WR corps in the past and had success. Our WRs aren't world beaters but the cupboard is far from bare too.

and I agree with that. My whole arguement is Beck will not be that much better. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. I'm also starting to believe that the coaching staff has the receivers starting at point A and running their routes to point B and the ball "will" be at point B. If the WR gets bumped off his route we see missed catches, dropped balls, interceptions.

All those other QB's have systems to include PManning in which they throw the deep ball and the WR has to go after it, locate it, and catch it. Yeah we practiced the corner post and we see more of it now then last year but again we don't see the WR actually going after the ball unless it's right in their hands. Moss is a little better at this, but the others are not that good at doing it.
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I can see tossing last year's game. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

I don't see where Rex said anything about not watching this one though, he's just saying he's not going to dwell on it.
Gotcha. Well they need to go back and watch both and see if there is any similarities. Clearly the Eagles watched it and exploited the weaknesses.
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To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey.

So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs.
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All I know is Shanny is 0 for 2 as far as QB's are concerned. How many more are we going to go through until we find "our-guy"? QB is now the most difficult and expensive position to fill in today's NFL. The only way you're going to get one is either finishing with an abysmal record, like the Lions, Rams, Panthers, Atlanta etc. or you have to take a chance on a mid-first rounder that comes at a high cost and a greater probability to fail.

Last but not least you can go with the nuclear option by giving up 2 to 3 first round picks to trade up or trade for someone outright. There's no easy decisions here. One way or another no good QB comes without great sacrifice, 6th and 7th rounders like Brady and Montana are once a generation, so finding someone that deep isn't a reliable option.
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and I agree with that. My whole arguement is Beck will not be that much better. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. I'm also starting to believe that the coaching staff has the receivers starting at point A and running their routes to point B and the ball "will" be at point B. If the WR gets bumped off his route we see missed catches, dropped balls, interceptions.

All those other QB's have systems to include PManning in which they throw the deep ball and the WR has to go after it, locate it, and catch it. Yeah we practiced the corner post and we see more of it now then last year but again we don't see the WR actually going after the ball unless it's right in their hands. Moss is a little better at this, but the others are not that good at doing it.
All he has to do is not give the ball away a couple of times per game and he will be a big improvement over Rex.
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To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey.

So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs.
I can give him a pass on the 1st INT and perhaps even the third. Still, fact is his decision making has been piss poor. And it seems the more he struggles, the more mistakes he makes. INT #4 sent me through the roof. He should have just thrown it out of bounds. Rex throwing on the run is bad news.
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I am just trying to honestly assess the game a few days after. I am not as pissed off now lol.

The thing about Rex that bothers me more is that doesn't take the easier/shorter route at times. I've noticed our RBs tend to be open in the flats. Also he can really telegraph his passes at times
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When you watch the game tape. And this may sound weird, but there are times when the completions are more frustrating than the interceptions. Like there are completions, and then there are good completions. He lately has had more of the former.
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All he has to do is not give the ball away a couple of times per game and he will be a big improvement over Rex.

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