Who do you want to start at QB?

JWsleep · 08-26-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

There not fools.. There is a lot more that goes into a matchup then stats. Yeah stats can tell a little something, but the way Beck brings a different element to this team, and how electric the offense was looking with him in there it's gotta be Beck. Shanny's system is BUILT around the zone blocking, and bootlegs from the QB's. We have two BEAST TE's who will catch a lot of balls and make more yards out of the play this year, and it'll be Beck rolling out and throwing them these balls.

Last week the Beck haters all said he couldn't throw it down field with accuracy.. That throw to Armstrong looked pretty accurate to me.

Plummer
Elway
Even Mcnabb

Shanny wants a QB that can create a bigger pocket from the play action, and he gets that in Beck.

Beck will be the man, and the way he studies and wants to be better.. I think he's going to surprise A LOT of people this year.

Nice post.

jonny5dicky · 08-26-2011, 12:21 AM

Mark Schlereth is a fool, really everyone on ESPN is a fool. They just eat their words, then form completely different opinions and act like that was their thinking all along. Did you not see how accurate Grossman is? What game do you people watch? Grossman stands in the face of pressure and delivers. He is the long term answer as in the next 5 years.

SmootSmack · 08-26-2011, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucket

There not fools.. There is a lot more that goes into a matchup then stats. Yeah stats can tell a little something, but the way Beck brings a different element to this team, and how electric the offense was looking with him in there it's gotta be Beck. Shanny's system is BUILT around the zone blocking, and bootlegs from the QB's. We have two BEAST TE's who will catch a lot of balls and make more yards out of the play this year, and it'll be Beck rolling out and throwing them these balls.

Last week the Beck haters all said he couldn't throw it down field with accuracy.. That throw to Armstrong looked pretty accurate to me.

Plummer
Elway
Even Mcnabb

Shanny wants a QB that can create a bigger pocket from the play action, and he gets that in Beck.

Beck will be the man, and the way he studies and wants to be better.. I think he's going to surprise A LOT of people this year.

I think Beck still really struggles to sell the play action, Grossman is much better in that regard.

Beck does offer an element of mobility that Grossman doesn't quite have.

And, I won't speak for others, but frankly I'm getting tired of being accused on hating (hatting) on ability to throw a down field pass. When all I said was he hadn't had the opportunity to do so against the Colts and I wanted to see him throw one. Because I wanted to do see what he could do.

I think it's pretty even but the edge probably goes to Beck. Still it's comforting, I'm sure, for Kyle and Mike to know they could go to Rex in a pinch and he can get the job done.

SirClintonPortis · 08-26-2011, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucket

There not fools.. There is a lot more that goes into a matchup then stats. Yeah stats can tell a little something, but the way Beck brings a different element to this team, and how electric the offense was looking with him in there it's gotta be Beck. Shanny's system is BUILT around the zone blocking, and bootlegs from the QB's. We have two BEAST TE's who will catch a lot of balls and make more yards out of the play this year, and it'll be Beck rolling out and throwing them these balls.

Last week the Beck haters all said he couldn't throw it down field with accuracy.. That throw to Armstrong looked pretty accurate to me.

Plummer
Elway
Even Mcnabb

Shanny wants a QB that can create a bigger pocket from the play action, and he gets that in Beck.

Beck will be the man, and the way he studies and wants to be better.. I think he's going to surprise A LOT of people this year.

Also, I remember Gaffney making comments about him being surprised at the high energy Beck exuded before and during the Colts game. Beck might be one of those gamer type QBs.

Ruhskins · 08-26-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Beck still really struggles to sell the play action, Grossman is much better in that regard.

Beck does offer an element of mobility that Grossman doesn't quite have.

And, I won't speak for others, but frankly I'm getting tired of being accused on hating (hatting) on ability to throw a down field pass. When all I said was he hadn't had the opportunity to do so against the Colts and I wanted to see him throw one. Because I wanted to do see what he could do.

I think it's pretty even but the edge probably goes to Beck. Still it's comforting, I'm sure, for Kyle and Mike to know they could go to Rex in a pinch and he can get the job done.

Beck showed me off with a couple of deep throws tonight, I was one of those complaining about his arm. In the end, I think we have a good starter/backup combination in these two guys.

mooby · 08-26-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Beck still really struggles to sell the play action, Grossman is much better in that regard.

Beck does offer an element of mobility that Grossman doesn't quite have.

And, I won't speak for others, but frankly I'm getting tired of being accused on hating (hatting) on ability to throw a down field pass. When all I said was he hadn't had the opportunity to do so against the Colts and I wanted to see him throw one. Because I wanted to do see what he could do.

I think it's pretty even but the edge probably goes to Beck. Still it's comforting, I'm sure, for Kyle and Mike to know they could go to Rex in a pinch and he can get the job done.

This.

Bucket · 08-26-2011, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Beck still really struggles to sell the play action, Grossman is much better in that regard.

Beck does offer an element of mobility that Grossman doesn't quite have.

And, I won't speak for others, but frankly I'm getting tired of being accused on hating (hatting) on ability to throw a down field pass. When all I said was he hadn't had the opportunity to do so against the Colts and I wanted to see him throw one. Because I wanted to do see what he could do.

I think it's pretty even but the edge probably goes to Beck. Still it's comforting, I'm sure, for Kyle and Mike to know they could go to Rex in a pinch and he can get the job done.

Don't take it personal. I don't think I ever said, quote:

"Smootsmack is hating on Becks arm strength"

I did see a lot of posts about how Beck couldn't get the ball downfield. I just watched the Stallworth play again, and if Stallworth keeps running, he's in way better position to catch that football. He slowed down for 2 steps I guess thinking Beck couldn't get it there. So I apologise if you took my comments personal Smoot. I didn't think you took all thousands of the Warpaths members comments as your own. Next time I'll make sure to exclude you from any comments made as a whole.

As for him not selling the play action fake.. When you don't have a lineman in your face then I think the PA was sold pretty well. I think both QB's are pretty exceptional at selling the PA at this point and being in the system for this long. It also helps to sell the PA when you have a guy like Hightower taking it 40+ yards in two straight games.

Option A: Take the slower Mobile QB in your rollout style offense, but obtain a better drop back passer
Option B: Take the quicker Mobile QB in your rollout style offense, and develop him better in drop back passing while he's still fresh and not on the last leg of his career.

Personally if Beck does pan out and becomes a potential franchise QB for the next 5 years. How much upside does that bring the the Skins and the future with all the young pieces in place?

TO much upside to Beck, to negate that he hasn't developed fully against the rush, and I believe that Austin makes the team because Beck has serious Chemistry with this young speedster with pillow hands.

SmootSmack · 08-26-2011, 12:51 AM

I mean why wouldn't you be talking about me? Who else is worth talking about??

In all seriousness though, perhaps I worded it wrong. My only point was that I think a lot of us said let's see what he can do and that was turned into "he can't do it"

I'm happy that Beck has had a solid camp. That said, I've always been a Grossman fan and I'm kind of pulling for him...though I'm not a loon like jonny5

mooby · 08-26-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean why wouldn't you be talking about me? Who else is worth talking about??

In all seriousness though, perhaps I worded it wrong. My only point was that I think a lot of us said let's see what he can do and that was turned into "he can't do it"

I'm happy that Beck has had a solid camp. That said, I've always been a Grossman fan and I'm kind of pulling for him...though I'm not a loon like jonny5

Are we even watching the same game?! Beck looked like a concussed JaMarcus Russell out there, and Grossman looked like Peyton Manning circa 2004! It's no contest!

SmootSmack · 08-26-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Are we even watching the same game?! Beck looked like a concussed JaMarcus Russell out there, and Grossman looked like Peyton Manning circa 2004! It's no contest!

Grossman stiffed armed Hurricane Irene with his left hand as he threw that 21 yard TD pass (with his eyes closed) to Santana Moss, then placed a call to Kaddafi convincing him to surrender peacefully while the extra point was being kicked.

mooby · 08-26-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Grossman stiffed armed Hurricane Irene with his left hand as he threw that 21 yard TD pass (with his eyes closed) to Santana Moss, then placed a call to Kaddafi convincing him to surrender peacefully while the extra point was being kicked.

And all that after single-handedly storming Osama Bin Laden's compound and killing him and his men bare handed. It's no contest.

Bucket · 08-26-2011, 01:19 AM

When he pats you on the back, you put it on your resume'
Both sides of his pillow are always cool

John Beck doesn't always win the starting QB position, but when he does. He prefers the Redskins

jonny5dicky · 08-26-2011, 01:30 AM

I have a better idea of whats to come, that's for sure by reading all of your posts. Rex having problems with turnovers shouldn't be that big of a deal. He's only started 34 games in his career and he's led his team to a super bowl appearance. If the Bears had competent offensive coaches Rex would still be there. To take that much criticism early in his career was ridiculous; Rex is highly accurate and adept at making quick decisions with the football-perfect.

IRISHSKIN24 · 08-26-2011, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucket

When he pats you on the back, you put it on your resume'
Both sides of his pillow are always cool

John Beck doesn't always win the starting QB position, but when he does. He prefers the Redskins

Grossman has a Tattoo that says Beck

Swarley · 08-26-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jonny5dicky

I have a better idea of whats to come, that's for sure by reading all of your posts. Rex having problems with turnovers shouldn't be that big of a deal. He's only started 34 games in his career and he's led his team to a super bowl appearance. If the Bears had competent offensive coaches Rex would still be there. To take that much criticism early in his career was ridiculous; Rex is highly accurate and adept at making quick decisions with the football-perfect.

Why are you so damn adamant about this??!? What do you know that the rest of the world doesn't.

Would you consider Mike and Kyle Shanahan to be "competent offensive coaches"? If so then if they ultimately decide to go with Beck wouldn't you say that they know a bit more than you do?

Answer these questions before you go posting the same crap again.

p.s. For what it's worth, I'm not a Grossman hater. I quite like him but I don't see what reason you have to be getting so worked up.

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08-26-2011, 12:21 AM	#122
jonny5dicky Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 59	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Mark Schlereth is a fool, really everyone on ESPN is a fool. They just eat their words, then form completely different opinions and act like that was their thinking all along. Did you not see how accurate Grossman is? What game do you people watch? Grossman stands in the face of pressure and delivers. He is the long term answer as in the next 5 years.

08-26-2011, 12:51 AM	#128
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,096	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? I mean why wouldn't you be talking about me? Who else is worth talking about?? In all seriousness though, perhaps I worded it wrong. My only point was that I think a lot of us said let's see what he can do and that was turned into "he can't do it" I'm happy that Beck has had a solid camp. That said, I've always been a Grossman fan and I'm kind of pulling for him...though I'm not a loon like jonny5 __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-26-2011, 01:19 AM	#132
Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? When he pats you on the back, you put it on your resume' Both sides of his pillow are always cool John Beck doesn't always win the starting QB position, but when he does. He prefers the Redskins

08-26-2011, 01:30 AM	#133
jonny5dicky Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 59	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? I have a better idea of whats to come, that's for sure by reading all of your posts. Rex having problems with turnovers shouldn't be that big of a deal. He's only started 34 games in his career and he's led his team to a super bowl appearance. If the Bears had competent offensive coaches Rex would still be there. To take that much criticism early in his career was ridiculous; Rex is highly accurate and adept at making quick decisions with the football-perfect.

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