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Old 08-30-2011, 04:44 PM   #61
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but I want to ask you a question? I am done debating on Vick and Prison and all that, but i have seen some of your posts about Vick, and i really get the assumption that you wouldn't feel as negatively about Vick if he had only killed a human being.

Not trying to judge dude at all, but I've talked to alot of these Michael Vick haters at my new job, and the consensus among them, is being that Animals now hold surperior rights to a human being (you know the animal bill of rights and constitution and all that), If Vick would have killed a person, be it in murder or drunk driving, he would have gotten off lighter in the eyes of the fans.

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If M.Vick had done to a human what he did to a dog he would be on death row.Also wether you like it or not some pet owners honestly feel their pet is their family and in some cases they are.If you're all Vicked out cool then don't respond but he is a sadistic dog killer and you just don't wake up one monrning a say "oh gee wiz ...maybe I should'nt do that".He apologized becuae he got caught.Remember these were dogs of his that had lost so he drowed them ....animals that could not fight back, oh yeah give him 100 mil and say good job.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:09 PM   #62
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Very dumb, it is almost as bad as us with AH. To give the guy a contract this huge that is really based on what 6 games of great play last year is extremely risky to say the least. He choked come playoff time and reverted back to old ATL Vick with his mediocre passing game. Hasn't he thrown for more picks than Sexy Rexy this preseason?
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:32 PM   #63
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Let Vick live, his been through alot.
He's only been through a lot because he's brought it on himself. The hell with that notion. He deserves (and is justified) any scrutiny he gets.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:04 PM   #64
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Let Vick live, his been through alot.

That thing is next to him is super banging...he probably hit that too, lucky bastard
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:33 PM   #65
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He was set to make 16 mil this year so its really a 24 mil guaranted because that 16 mil would have gone directly against the cap anyways. After that no telling how much of that money he will ever see. I really don't care because he was going to be an Eagle this year no matter what. So now if he does not live up to the contract then it a plus to us.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:59 AM   #66
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Good for him. I'm happy for Vick. I don't think he deserve that type of money because he only played six great games and didn't do all that well in the playoff. However, I'm happy that he was able to get his life together after making such a stupid mistake.
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If M.Vick had done to a human what he did to a dog he would be on death row.Also wether you like it or not some pet owners honestly feel their pet is their family and in some cases they are.If you're all Vicked out cool then don't respond but he is a sadistic dog killer and you just don't wake up one monrning a say "oh gee wiz ...maybe I should'nt do that".He apologized becuae he got caught.Remember these were dogs of his that had lost so he drowed them ....animals that could not fight back, oh yeah give him 100 mil and say good job.
He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.
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He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.
You really don'r understand the difference between hunting and
and "farming" to torture and murder, that's pretty ignorant.He's a "DOG KILLER" .....not a hunter ,and not a farmer.
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He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.
I think when you say farmers you really mean commercial feed lots. Anyone who has ever seen the inhumane conditions cows are made to endure in commercial feed lots (I have seen them in Nebraska) and has even a slight sense of compassion couldnt help but reconsider whether they should keep eating beef. That is as much a torture to cows as anything Vick did to his dogs.

On the $ side, there is no way Vick is worth that kind of $. He had a few good games and as usual tanked in the playoffs. Vick will never take a team all the way.
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I hope the iggles suffer for thier offseson activities, cant believe they havnt learned anything from watching CHainsaw Dan run the Skins. BTY i feel that AlvinWAltons thread is Pulitzer worthy, im just saying but if i had a vote............
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I think when you say farmers you really mean commercial feed lots. Anyone who has ever seen the inhumane conditions cows are made to endure in commercial feed lots (I have seen them in Nebraska) and has even a slight sense of compassion couldnt help but reconsider whether they should keep eating beef. That is as much a torture to cows as anything Vick did to his dogs.

On the $ side, there is no way Vick is worth that kind of $. He had a few good games and as usual tanked in the playoffs. Vick will never take a team all the way.
Yeah i saw a documentary on pig "farmers" once. Some of the most inhuman things ive ever seen or heard of in that program, much more inhumane then anything that happened at bad newz. And pigs are generally considered smarter than dogs, so it is likely they would object to their treatment more so then dogs.

I think something people refuse to acknowledge when it comes to certain kinds of animals is that there is a difference between pet animals and non-pet animals. The dogs Vick had wernt pets, they were sporting dogs. They wernt treated like Rover or my dog Freckles on the weekdays and then fought on the weekends, they were raised entirely different then a household pet. Similar to the pig documentary I saw, the pigs that were raised at the meat mill are raised differently than a pot belly pig your crazy neighbor may have.


I donít think what Vick did was right whatsoever; however, I think people need to distinguish the environmental differences between a household pet and a animal raised for sport or slaughter. Fighting your girlfriendís Maltese against your neighborís Yorkie is different than fighting pitbulls breed and raised for sport. Both wrong, albeit different. Itís a emotional issue thatís difficult for some to grasp. Either way im not going to say anything more on this, I just think its important that people consider theres a difference.

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Lest we forget that the NFL is an entertainment industry. Vick, love him or hate him, is a dynamic player who attracts viewers for and against him. A game with Vick in it, is a game that more people will watch, which in turns drives ratings, memorabilia sales, jersey sales, attendance, etc. His Q-factor is worth the $100M and Jeff Lurie knows this as well as anyone, as does Goodell, who certainly went out of his way to give Vick a leg up back into the league.

The NFL is a business, and Vick is a money maker regardless of whether he wins you the game. He earned his contract... maybe not purely based on "field-performance" but he earned it no doubt.
Best post of this thread, but I would slightly disagree w/your last paragraph, he had a hell of a year last year. At the end he showed his flaws, but he still had a great year. I think he peaked, but the signing makes sense for a few reasons, including what you mention in 1st paragraph.
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LVL with his 100 million...LVL
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According to Mike and Mike this morning, Vick owes $19 million from his bankruptcy.

40% of his earnings over $10 million automatically go to creditors. He owes $6 million to the Falcons too. IF he plays 5 years, he'll have his debts related to the bankruptcy paid off.

Of the $100 million, only $40 million is guaranteed. Cut that in half after taxes. $20 million earned...$19 million owed and will be paid by court order...haha.

He BETTER stay healthy for his sake, or he'll be in the poor house, or back in prison for not repaying debts.



He's dug his own financial grave. No sympathy. Atlanta gave him a $120 million contract and he had to file bankruptcy?

Instead of "celebrating a redemption story", I'm not going to be naive enough to think someone who (not a complete list I'm sure), was stopped in an airport for drugs, flipped off fans in the stands, murdered living creatures in an illegal gambling ring and apparently doesn't pay his debts is suddenly an upstanding citizen who suddenly has no blemishes in his personality and lifestyle after sitting in jail. You can bet he still has contact with his old circle of friends and followers and has temptations to slip back into his old lifestyle. What will having income again do to him? Sure, he's doing the mandated speaking tours on being nice to animals and having his agents and consultants write some noble sounding lines to spew in front of the cameras, but we can not seriously expect someone tied up in so many degenerate activities and with such a polarizing personality to suddenly do a complete 180. He may not be running or even showing up to dogfights, but who knows...is he having his friends just send him i-Phone videos so he can watch? Is he texting his bets in now, while appearing to be at a safe distance from the South's dogfights up here in PA? I'm not accusing him without basis, just wondering if he's honestly gone from a drug-using, animal-killing thug to a saint in a few short years. I'd like to believe he's a better person, but none of us know his personal life...just the PR side that the Eagles, media and the NFL want us to see.

We'll see if he can behave for the rest of his life. If he does, I'll be the first to praise him. However, I'm just not ready to celebrate and congratulate someone who did so much wrong while other players like Drew Brees and even lesser-noticed players like Lorenzo Alexander are genuinely good people doing great things in their community WITHOUT being forced by courts to do so, go generally unspoken about. Instead of fabricating some great "redemption story" about someone we want to be a role model but has been the polar opposite in every way, why don't we talk about and reward those who do what's right on their first try?
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According to Mike and Mike this morning, Vick owes $19 million from his bankruptcy.

40% of his earnings over $10 million automatically go to creditors. He owes $6 million to the Falcons too. IF he plays 5 years, he'll have his debts related to the bankruptcy paid off.

Of the $100 million, only $40 million is guaranteed. Cut that in half after taxes. $20 million earned...$19 million owed and will be paid by court order...haha.

He BETTER stay healthy for his sake, or he'll be in the poor house, or back in prison for not repaying debts.



He's dug his own financial grave. No sympathy.
He's back w/Nike though & even if his agent his half assed at getting deals for him, he'll make some good money w/endorsements. He'll never be that big time Q rating guy like Jordan, but he should be able to set himself up pretty well.
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