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Old 09-01-2011, 11:39 PM   #301
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I like our newbie wideouts, but I am not sure they would for sure garner more interest than Stallworth if the team is in dire need of a sure handed vet WR. I mean go for the proven commodity in the vet or go for a kid that is younger and had a nice preseason, but might not hack it as well during the real deal.
Terence Austin has shown plenty of polish to be the #3 here. We can afford to allocate rookies as our receivers #4 and #5 if they contribute in special teams(or is named Leonard Hankerson).
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:53 PM   #302
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Terence Austin has shown plenty of polish to be the #3 here. We can afford to allocate rookies as our receivers #4 and #5 if they contribute in special teams(or is named Leonard Hankerson).
I am with you on that. I am just saying though Austin might not necessarily be a more wanted commodity than Stallworth. Stallworth has been around longer, and everyone knows him. Austin is a newbie. A team might trade a low round pick for a sure handed vet WR that still has some left in the tank til 2012 and they will draft a guy. You and me know who Terrence Austin is, but not too many in the NFL do. My whole thing is to keep Terrence and trade Donte, but I am also saying Donte might garner more trade interest anyway.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:40 AM   #303
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At WR
I think you keep 7
Moss, Gaffney, AA, Austin, Hankerson, Banks, and Stallworth, and hope that Paul doesn't get picked up off waivers.

LB's

You keep 8

ILB- Riley, Mcintosh
ILB- Fletcher, Fox
OLB Kerrigan, White
OLB- Orakpo, Jackson

BTW- I was never sold on Beck starting at QB. WAY too inconsistent, and tonight proved it.
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I think they keep six WR's and Banks as a returner. Although I like the guy, I hope Stallworth is the guy the cut rather than Paul.

Outside linebacker gotta keep Rak, Kerrigan, Jackson. Pretty sure White makes it too, he flashed pretty well all preseason. Problem is, what do you do with Alexander? You have to find a place for a guy like him. Not sure why they never tried him at inside backer - maybe he's too slow. Other than Fletcher - it's just a bunch of guys. None stand out.
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I wonder if they IR Royster to keep him around for the year and keep Hightower, Helu, Torrain with K. Williams and D. Young at FB. KW can double as the 4th RB and is a good special teamer.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:56 AM   #306
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I highly doubt white makes the team over Gibson due to the fact white will be safe on the practice squad whereas Gibson won't. At some point, someone's gonna get hurt and we can elevate white. If whites on the team and someone gets hurt, we've got nobody familiar with the defense to elevate.

No way Paul stays on the practice squad, but stallworth and banks have both made cases to make the team. In all honesty, I think hankerson could be cut. I know we spent a 3rd rounder on him but we spent a pick on Paul too and he seems, at this early stage, to be the better investment. If we could trade hankerson for a 5th, id be happy.
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At WR
I think you keep 7
Moss, Gaffney, AA, Austin, Hankerson, Banks, and Stallworth, and hope that Paul doesn't get picked up off waivers.

LB's

You keep 8

ILB- Riley, Mcintosh
ILB- Fletcher, Fox
OLB Kerrigan, White
OLB- Orakpo, Jackson

BTW- I was never sold on Beck starting at QB. WAY too inconsistent, and tonight proved it.
You think either white or Jackson makes it over Lorenzo?
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:06 AM   #308
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You think either white or Jackson makes it over Lorenzo?
Right,
completely forgot about Alexander.
M White to PS, and one guy I really like is the kid Shannon, the FS.
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Right,
completely forgot about Alexander.
M White to PS, and one guy I really like is the kid Shannon, the FS.
You mean the guy who whiffed on Gant's 90 yard TD?
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At WR
I think you keep 7
Moss, Gaffney, AA, Austin, Hankerson, Banks, and Stallworth, and hope that Paul doesn't get picked up off waivers.

LB's

You keep 8

ILB- Riley, Mcintosh
ILB- Fletcher, Fox
OLB Kerrigan, White
OLB- Orakpo, Jackson

BTW- I was never sold on Beck starting at QB. WAY too inconsistent, and tonight proved it.
There's no way they keep 7 wideouts. Last year they kept six.

My take: It'll be Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Banks, Austin, and Hankerson. I don't think Stallworth has stood out enough to make the final cut. The only spots Stallworth had a shot at were Austin's and Hankerson's. But the coaches are likely going to favor the younger guys based on potenial/upside.

The problem is Hankerson. I frankly don't see what he's done to make the team. But I don't see them tossing away a 3rd round pick either. If you PS him, somebody will snatch him away. He gets a pass this time, but only because of his price tag.

Last season they kept 9 linebackers. The guy who fought for his football life last night was Rob Jackson -- that was a statement game like no other. Not sure about Markus White. H. Blades probably has to make it.

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At WR
I think you keep 7
Moss, Gaffney, AA, Austin, Hankerson, Banks, and Stallworth, and hope that Paul doesn't get picked up off waivers.

LB's

You keep 8

ILB- Riley, Mcintosh
ILB- Fletcher, Fox
OLB Kerrigan, White
OLB- Orakpo, Jackson

BTW- I was never sold on Beck starting at QB. WAY too inconsistent, and tonight proved it.
I agree, Beck looks like he is inconsistent and might have really good games and really bad ones. In a QB league, the Skins dont have one.
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I agree, Beck looks like he is inconsistent and might have really good games and really bad ones. In a QB league, the Skins dont have one.
The reality is, Beck has only had one inconsistent stretch this preseason, and that was last night. It's not like he's been this way throughout. There were two obvious bad throws -- the pick in the endzone when he was under pressure, and the miss to a wide open Austin underneath.

Plus, as Shanahan said, Beck was without a lot of his primary weapons for this game.

As to your last statement, I don't know about that. No matter how you look at it, we are in a rebuilding process right now. That means it'll take awhile to get all the pieces in place. There were no free agent QBs available worth anything this time around, and we couldn't break the bank on a draft pick if the coaches didn't have confidence in what the available selections had to offer.

I'm usually just as pessimistic as you are about the general outlook, but I think there's more promise at the quarterback scenario than we've had in awhile.

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The reality is, Beck has only had one inconsistent stretch this preseason, and that was last night. It's not like he's been this way throughout. There were two obvious bad throws -- the pick in the endzone when he was under pressure, and the miss to a wide open Austin underneath.

Plus, as Shanahan said, Beck was without a lot of his primary weapons for this game.

As to your last statement, I don't know about that. No matter how you look at it, we are in a rebuilding process right now. That means it'll take awhile to get all the pieces in place. There were no free agent QBs available worth anything this time around, and we couldn't break the bank on a draft pick if the coaches didn't have confidence in what the available selections had to offer.

I'm usually just as pessimistic as you are about the general outlook, but I think there's more promise at the quarterback scenario than we've had in awhile.
I think maybe that inconsistency is why Beck hasnt caught on as a starter.

The Skins are stuck in what seems to be a permanent rebuilding process, I can hardly remember s season in the last 10 years where the Skins didnt seem to be rebuilding but I do think this rebuild might really work as they are rebuilding with younger players and thats good.

The QBs of the past few seasons havent worked out and Beck hasnt played enough to say he wont work but as of the start of this season the Skins have starting QB that are here because nobody else wanted them. Beck & Rex will be servicable QBs but thats about it. I'm not pessimistic or optimistic about QB, it is what it is.
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You mean the guy who whiffed on Gant's 90 yard TD?
Yeah, it was a whiff but, he also has potential/upside (5 tackles, 1 sack). Hopefully he'll get a PS spot.

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I think maybe that inconsistency is why Beck hasnt caught on as a starter.

The Skins are stuck in what seems to be a permanent rebuilding process, I can hardly remember s season in the last 10 years where the Skins didnt seem to be rebuilding but I do think this rebuild might really work as they are rebuilding with younger players and thats good.

The QBs of the past few seasons havent worked out and Beck hasnt played enough to say he wont work but as of the start of this season the Skins have starting QB that are here because nobody else wanted them. Beck & Rex will be servicable QBs but thats about it. I'm not pessimistic or optimistic about QB, it is what it is.
Well, the team refused to rebuild during the Joe Gibbs Part II era -- that was a huge mistake. You might say we 'rebuilt' for Spurrier's teams but only to implement his system. With Shanahan and Allen it's for real -- this is a true rebuild from the top down on both sides of the ball.

I still don't believe we've seen enough of Beck from his total time in the league to call him inconsistent. You'd have to have more of a total body of work to examine to be able to label him that way.
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