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Old 09-05-2011, 08:55 PM   #91
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Grew up watching Theismann... but cant stand to listen to his commentating now. But I love watching Riggo's show..... He tells it like it is and doesnt hold any punches...
I want to have drink with Riggo. If I ever see him out, I'm buying him a drink and from what I hear he won't turn it down.
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:55 PM   #92
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Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...

Rex Grossman (6'1, 222 lbs) = Joe Theismann (6'0, 192 lbs) anyone??

As a reminder... Theismann did not start regularly until he was 29 (John Beck anyone?), when he had his first season where he started more than 7 games. Grossman is 30 and has just one season of more than 7 starts while in his 20's as well. So at age 30, they both are close in games/experience, which for both was not good... but people forget just how bad Theismann was in his 20's. I'm sure when he got the starting nod, people laughed as well.

Check Theismann's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
25 14-11 369-768 48% 4,967 30 40 98 60.4

Here's Grossman's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
31 19-12 524-971 54% 6,197 33 36 58 69.5

Some things that stood out... Theismann was garbage early in his career. How many guys could survive to 30 in today's NFL with a 48% completion pct and averaging an INT every 18 throws? Also.. check out the huge difference in sacks. Theismann has 20 more in 200+ less dropbacks.

However, as we all know, Theismann was DECENT at age 30-32 (58.6% comp, 9,327 yds, 56 TDs, 49 INT, 78.5 QBR), then put it together for 2 1/2 years from age 33 to 35. He was 34 when he had a career year (60% comp, 3,700 yds, 29 TDs, 11 INTs, 97.0 QBR) & won a Super Bowl.

Last year, at age 30, Grossman was 55.6% comp, 884 yds, 7 TDs, 4 INTs, 81.2 QBR... and honestly, surprised with how "un-horrible" he was. Then this Preseason he looked even more comfortable with the offense and throwing to Moss & Gaffney (who he played with at Florida).

To add, if you get the time, check out how horrible Doug Williams was (47% comp, 66.2 QBR) before he turned 30 and went to Skins as well...

Just saying.... Grossman could be on the same path (with the new "Smurfs/Fun Bunch" = Moss, Armstrong, Austin??)

What can I say? This the one time of year we are all pumped about how great we'll be and I'm all in!
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:57 PM   #93
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Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...

Rex Grossman (6'1, 222 lbs) = Joe Theismann (6'0, 192 lbs) anyone??

As a reminder... Theismann did not start regularly until he was 29 (John Beck anyone?), when he had his first season where he started more than 7 games. Grossman is 30 and has just one season of more than 7 starts while in his 20's as well. So at age 30, they both are close in games/experience, which for both was not good... but people forget just how bad Theismann was in his 20's. I'm sure when he got the starting nod, people laughed as well.

Check Theismann's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
25 14-11 369-768 48% 4,967 30 40 98 60.4

Here's Grossman's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
31 19-12 524-971 54% 6,197 33 36 58 69.5

Some things that stood out... Theismann was garbage early in his career. How many guys could survive to 30 in today's NFL with a 48% completion pct and averaging an INT every 18 throws? Also.. check out the huge difference in sacks. Theismann has 20 more in 200+ less dropbacks.

However, as we all know, Theismann was DECENT at age 30-32 (58.6% comp, 9,327 yds, 56 TDs, 49 INT, 78.5 QBR), then put it together for 2 1/2 years from age 33 to 35. He was 34 when he had a career year (60% comp, 3,700 yds, 29 TDs, 11 INTs, 97.0 QBR) & won a Super Bowl.

Last year, at age 30, Grossman was 55.6% comp, 884 yds, 7 TDs, 4 INTs, 81.2 QBR... and honestly, surprised with how "un-horrible" he was. Then this Preseason he looked even more comfortable with the offense and throwing to Moss & Gaffney (who he played with at Florida).

To add, if you get the time, check out how horrible Doug Williams was (47% comp, 66.2 QBR) before he turned 30 and went to Skins as well...

Just saying.... Grossman could be on the same path (with the new "Smurfs/Fun Bunch" = Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Austin??)

What can I say? This the one time of year we are all pumped about how great we'll be and I'm all in!
too bad he doesn't have joe and doug's O line, I think that's part of what really helped them.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:03 PM   #94
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too bad he doesn't have joe and doug's O line, I think that's part of what really helped them.
He may get similar run production... surprisingly, I think there is a big misconception about Theismann's O-Line's protection...

In 9 games in 1982, he was sacked 30 times!
In 1983 (his career year) he was sacked 34 times in 16 games.
In 1984, he was sacked 48 times in 16 games!

These were the 3 great years (2 Super Bowls, etc.) ... I hope this line can live up to those numbers at least!
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You are not going to get another Joey T from either of these guys. These guys are a stop gap til the 2012 draft. And don't be too surprised if we pull a Shuler/ Frerotte type thing either( first pick and late pick both QBs). At this point it wil be great to get Moore, Keenum or Foles as our #1, then get someone like Persa in the later rounds. Persa is a great QB but is still rehabbing from the torn Achilles, so his value will go down, but will be a great QB pickup. There will be other decent Qbs available in the mid to latter rounds next season. The kid from Texas A&M looked decent.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:28 PM   #96
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As I expected and as I wanted.
I always thought the whole Beck hype was a bunch of hoohaa.
Rex aint no Kenny Stabler but at least he has a little vet savvy.
But as I have said before, this is a throwaway year QB-wise.
Too bad because the reast of the team looks pretty good.
But maybe Rex will be our Jim Plunkett! That's something I can deal with!
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:24 PM   #97
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He's a very hard worker, and a student of the game. Of course he's a starter.
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Mistake IMO. Hope Im wrong...
I was hoping Beck honestly just because his mobility but I'll trust MS
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Rex Grossman to start for Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN

. That the Redskins' coaches believe, based on the impressive way their defense, their running game and their offensive line performed in the preseason, that they have a better chance to contend this year than they originally believed and Grossman is the surer bet to play the kind of simple, mistake-free, good-decision quarterback they'll need.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:42 PM   #100
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Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...
That would be nice

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Old 09-05-2011, 11:11 PM   #101
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Hey fuerrote moore stock i think wont be too high because he is short.......
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:22 PM   #102
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Beck definitely beat my expectation but starting Rex is the right call. With thh way Beck played during the preseason having him as our backup is a blessing.

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Old 09-06-2011, 12:47 AM   #103
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Actually, if the coaching staff believes that Grossman should be our starting QB, that's who I want to finish the season. I'm no longer interested in what Beck "might do" if given a chance. Barring injury, let him ride the pine and let Rex do his thing and command the team.

I'm content on closing the chapter on Beck until circumstances dictate otherwise. I'm officially on the Rex bandwagon and pulling for him 100% every single game.

Good post. Lets rally around the guy and see what happens...
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Beck definitely beat my expectation but starting Rex is the right call. With thh way Beck played during the preseason having him as our backup is a blessing.

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Most of Beck's supporters seem to be from the hype that the Shanahans created, making you believe he was the guy

So if you believed them then, believe them now..
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