Week 3 TQBR Rankings

Chico23231 · 10-03-2011, 08:57 AM

^Eli and Schaub really have surged up the charts

mooby · 10-03-2011, 10:27 AM

Yeah Matt Hasselbeck has really suprised me so far. The Titans are looking good with him at qb.

That Guy · 10-03-2011, 03:52 PM

surprise, grossman is in the middle at 46.9... average.

dgack · 10-03-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

surprise, grossman is in the middle at 46.9... average.

And a bigger surprise? Campbell is statistically in the top 10, yet nobody thinks he's the reason the Raiders have won or lost any of their games.

Which is pretty much what I thought while he was here.

redskin90 · 10-04-2011, 12:48 PM

grossman is finally average! yay!

GTripp0012 · 10-04-2011, 01:00 PM

Matt Hasselbeck doing his best late-career Boomer Esiason impression.

Our QB next season, Chad Henne, still ranks in the top ten despite having to run daycare for Reggie Bush and Brandon Marshall. But he's injured now, which I guess just drops the price.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-04-2011, 01:49 PM

Not a big fan of any stats that come from a TV network. I understand the work that's being done and the reasoning behind it. But it's just another tool to use in a player evaluation and has too many subjective areas in it.

I like the old QB rating, just give me the raw numbers, no analysis. I can do that myself by looking at the game. To me this is a case of statistical analysis gone wild, this stuff may work for baseball which has far less variables, even to a degree in basketball. But far too many variables to accurately account for in football.

I don't need a stat to tell me that I'd rather have Elway, Unitas, Starr or Baugh under center for me rather than Pennington, Culpepper, Schaub or Flacco.

SmootSmack · 10-04-2011, 06:35 PM

What source are you a fan of then for stats?

Dirtbag59 · 10-04-2011, 07:00 PM

Traditional QB rating of Shanahan coached QB's only means so much. With Shanahan you're going to have a lot of guys that are throwing under 60% due to the emphasis of trying to push the ball down field and with the current system a huge emphasis is placed on completion percentage. John Elway for example frequently was rated in the high 80's under Shanahan. Usually if the QB is rated in the high 80's that's a good sign in this system.

30gut · 10-04-2011, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgack

And a bigger surprise? Campbell is statistically in the top 10, yet nobody thinks he's the reason the Raiders have won or lost any of their games.

Which is pretty much what I thought while he was here.

Its not really a surprise to some.
And some people do think Campbell is a key part of the Raiders success.

30gut · 10-04-2011, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Traditional QB rating of Shanahan coached QB's only means so much. With Shanahan you're going to have a lot of guys that are throwing under 60% due to the emphasis of trying to push the ball down field and with the current system a huge emphasis is placed on completion percentage. John Elway for example frequently was rated in the high 80's under Shanahan. Usually if the QB is rated in the high 80's that's a good sign in this system.

But this isn't Mike Shanahan's version of the Denver WCO this is Houston and Kyle's variant.
Kyle's offense has greater emphasis on effciency in the passing game.
If we're looking for the statistical signs of the offense running at a high level think Matt Schaub not John Elway.

CRedskinsRule · 10-04-2011, 09:54 PM

StatLine Check:
PC -- PA -- YD -- % -- YPC -- TD -- LONG -- INT FUM.RATING
79 129..........1,021.....61.2.....7.92.....6........ ..61..........3.....1.....91.9

83 143............989......58.0.....6.92.....6....... ...40..........5.....2.....78.7

99 152..........1,273.....65.1.....8.38.....7........ ..77..........5.....3.....92.9

80 125..........1,066.....64.0.....8.53.....8....... 74..........2.....2.....105.6

That is the 4 NFCE QBs, anyone care to rank fill in the names? (ours ain't at the top) but i did think this was interesting to compare with out the names assoc.

edit: i hate trying to format tables on this ugh

Dirtbag59 · 10-04-2011, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgack

This made me want to look up single season QB ratings throughout the history of the team.

I know the "old" QB rating is un-sexy and inaccurate now that we have the ESPN TQBR, but since I can't apply a TQBR formula to the data from Pro-football-reference I can't see where Sexy Rexy stacks up compared to past Redskins QBs.

But if we look at single-season QB Ratings for all Washington QB's, the top 25 list looks like this:

Code:

 #    Name           Year      Rate      Age   G     GS
01    Sammy Baugh      1945     109.9    31    08    08
02    Mark Rypien      1991*     97.9    29    16    16
03    Joe Theismann    1983*     97.0    34    16    16
04    Sonny Jurgensen  1974      94.5    40    14    04
05    Sammy Baugh      1947      92.0    33    12    01
06    Sonny Jurgensen  1970      91.5    36    14    14
07    Joe Theismann    1982*     91.3    33    09    09
08    Brad Johnson     1999*     90.0    31    16    16
09    Mark Rypien      1989*     88.1    27    14    14
10    Sonny Jurgensen  1967*     87.3    33    14    14
11    Joe Theismann    1984      86.6    35    16    16
12    Mark Brunell     2006      86.5    36    10    09
13    Jason Campbell   2009      86.4    28    16    16
14    Rex Grossman     2011      86.4    31    03    03
15    Eddie LeBaron    1957*     86.1    27    12    12
16    Frank Filchock   1944      86.0    28    10    06
17    Mark Brunell     2005      85.9    35    16    15
18    Sonny Jurgensen  1969*     85.4    35    14    14
19    Sonny Jurgensen  1964*     85.4    30    14    14
20    Mark Rypien      1988      85.2    26    09    06
21    Billy Kilmer     1972*     84.8    33    12    10
22    Sonny Jurgensen  1966*     84.5    32    14    14
23    Jason Campbell   2008      84.3    27    16    16
24    Joe Theismann    1979      83.9    30    16    16
25    Billy Kilmer     1974      83.5    35    11    10

Asterisks represent Pro Bowl seasons.

So we've had three players in history who garnered a 95+ passer rating over a single season. According to PFR, there have been 108 players in league history to do finish the season with a 95 or better.

Whoa, how did you do that? Just type [code][/code']?

30gut · 10-05-2011, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

StatLine Check:
PC -- PA -- YD -- % -- YPC -- TD -- LONG -- INT FUM.RATING
79 129..........1,021.....61.2.....7.92.....6........ ..61..........3.....1.....91.9

83 143............989......58.0.....6.92.....6....... ...40..........5.....2.....78.7

99 152..........1,273.....65.1.....8.38.....7........ ..77..........5.....3.....92.9

80 125..........1,066.....64.0.....8.53.....8....... 74..........2.....2.....105.6

That is the 4 NFCE QBs, anyone care to rank fill in the names? (ours ain't at the top) but i did think this was interesting to compare with out the names assoc.

edit: i hate trying to format tables on this ugh

Romo
Rex
Eli
Vick

Giantone · 10-05-2011, 03:39 AM

......and which one has a super bowl ring?

10-03-2011, 08:57 AM	#16
Chico23231 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 35 Posts: 4,942	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings ^Eli and Schaub really have surged up the charts __________________ "I mean, I looked on the test and wasn't nothing on the test that came with football, so I pretty much blew the test off"

10-03-2011, 10:27 AM	#17
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10-03-2011, 03:52 PM	#18
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10-04-2011, 12:48 PM	#20
redskin90 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 12	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings grossman is finally average! yay!

10-04-2011, 01:00 PM	#21
GTripp0012 Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 24 Posts: 14,619	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings Matt Hasselbeck doing his best late-career Boomer Esiason impression. Our QB next season, Chad Henne, still ranks in the top ten despite having to run daycare for Reggie Bush and Brandon Marshall. But he's injured now, which I guess just drops the price. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

10-04-2011, 01:49 PM	#22
Slingin Sammy 33 Ground game = good Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 3,835	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings Not a big fan of any stats that come from a TV network. I understand the work that's being done and the reasoning behind it. But it's just another tool to use in a player evaluation and has too many subjective areas in it. I like the old QB rating, just give me the raw numbers, no analysis. I can do that myself by looking at the game. To me this is a case of statistical analysis gone wild, this stuff may work for baseball which has far less variables, even to a degree in basketball. But far too many variables to accurately account for in football. I don't need a stat to tell me that I'd rather have Elway, Unitas, Starr or Baugh under center for me rather than Pennington, Culpepper, Schaub or Flacco. __________________ ...[If] an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything]....you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996. Last edited by Slingin Sammy 33; 10-04-2011 at 01:55 PM.

10-04-2011, 06:35 PM	#23
SmootSmack RIP Chuck Brown Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,699	What source are you a fan of then for stats? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-04-2011, 07:00 PM	#24
Dirtbag59 Taken more shots than Karl Malone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 26 Posts: 13,026	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings Traditional QB rating of Shanahan coached QB's only means so much. With Shanahan you're going to have a lot of guys that are throwing under 60% due to the emphasis of trying to push the ball down field and with the current system a huge emphasis is placed on completion percentage. John Elway for example frequently was rated in the high 80's under Shanahan. Usually if the QB is rated in the high 80's that's a good sign in this system. __________________ "Blue Horse Shoe Loves Anacot Steel."

10-04-2011, 09:54 PM	#27
CRedskinsRule Franchise Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 44 Posts: 8,909	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings StatLine Check: PC -- PA -- YD -- % -- YPC -- TD -- LONG -- INT FUM.RATING 79 129..........1,021.....61.2.....7.92.....6........ ..61..........3.....1.....91.9 83 143............989......58.0.....6.92.....6....... ...40..........5.....2.....78.7 99 152..........1,273.....65.1.....8.38.....7........ ..77..........5.....3.....92.9 80 125..........1,066.....64.0.....8.53.....8....... 74..........2.....2.....105.6 That is the 4 NFCE QBs, anyone care to rank fill in the names? (ours ain't at the top) but i did think this was interesting to compare with out the names assoc. edit: i hate trying to format tables on this ugh Last edited by CRedskinsRule; 10-04-2011 at 10:08 PM.

10-05-2011, 03:39 AM	#30
Giantone Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,879	Re: Week 3 TQBR Rankings ......and which one has a super bowl ring? __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

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