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Old 09-27-2011, 10:35 AM   #16
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Has Santana ever had a double digit TD year? He can't physically dominate someone like Bryant can. I love the guy but he should be in the slot and maybe start getting Paul or Hankerson on the outside.
But Bryant didn't get a TD. And it's not about physical dominance really. Moss gets open as well as anyone in the league. That's why he scored that TD last week and got that huge catch at the end of the 1st half last night
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:37 AM   #17
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Moss is a GREAT WR imo, not dominant but he's so reliable and is always getting open! I love the guy one of my Fav Redskins ever
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:41 AM   #18
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Has Santana ever had a double digit TD year? He can't physically dominate someone like Bryant can. I love the guy but he should be in the slot and maybe start getting Paul or Hankerson on the outside.
Moss had 10 TDs for the Jets in 2003. He had 9 TDs for the Skins in 2005, and a team record 1,483 yards receiving. I attended both of his 3 TD games as a Skin - 2005 vs. the Giants and 2006 vs. the Jaguars. In Shanny's offense, Moss basically is a slot receiver, with Armstrong stretching the defense vertically.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:45 AM   #19
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Well no one this season and honestly IDK about next year either because Rex will play good enough to make us a playoff contender IMO, yeah he's not great but he has his moments.. Lets just wash this game away and move on to STL
And you base this on his debacle of a performance last night?
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:35 AM   #20
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On offense.. I don't know... grossman is a role player more than a leader... we don't have an all pro center... so right now it needs to be Kyle Shanahan.. and if he can't, Mike... if anything our vets.. Cooley, moss, grossman, etc need to find a way to unify the group
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:40 AM   #21
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I don't think leadership is our problem. We need sharper execution in the red zone.

Yep, the game would have been one if we turned one or two of those frist half fgs into tds. The same could be said of the Cowboys as well, but we aren't talking about them.

We need leaders on offense. Rex is it at times, but not last night.
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:46 AM   #22
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I don't think leadership is our problem. We need sharper execution in the red zone.

I'd have to disagree and agree. I do think leadership is a problem - you need your QB to be THE GUY. Look at all the elite teams in the league - New England, Green Bay, New Orleans, etc....all have great leaders as QBs. I think Rex is trying to be that guy, but I think he has a ways to go. But, I do agree that sharper execution in the red zone is a must, but play calling needs to be sharper as well....both have not been up to par.
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:49 AM   #23
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Everyone has positive things to say about Rex and his "leadership" abilities.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:05 PM   #24
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Everyone has positive things to say about Rex and his "leadership" abilities.
I've heard it said that the players like the way Rex takes charge in the huddle. Ultimately, it's the QBs job to be the offensive leader, so to answer your question, it will have to be Rex (for the time being).
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:05 PM   #25
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Re: Who Can Lead This Team?

Rex Grossman and or John Beck is a placeholder.
They/he is just saving a seat on a bus until we get a franchise QB on the roster.
If Grossman gets a wild card, heck if he wins a wild card I still want to draft that franchise QB ASAP.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:15 PM   #26
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We don't have a leadership gap; we have a talent gap. What will it take before you adjust to the reality that this is a team in the process of being rebuilt? Rex Grossman is not the QB that will lead us back to greatness. That player is not yet on the team. The one player on offense who can provide inspirational leadership through his performance is the QB. Again, he's not yet on the roster.

To rise to the level of the Gibbs I teams will take more time. Right now, the Redskins management is doing a very good job of building the foundation for greatness. We have a much improved team but we still need more pieces to be a perennial contender. Frankly, we need a couple of superstars on offense and the QB must be one of them.

The Franchise QB is the biggest piece of the puzzle that we lack at this time. There is nothing that can be done to make either Grossman or Beck much better than they are now. Deal with it. Some day we'll have the QB we need to lead us.

I'm pleased with where we are at this point. You should be, too. Be patient. After one or two more drafts and FA periods, we may be all the way back. In the meantime, I expect this team to continue to improve.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:20 PM   #27
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We don't have a leadership gap; we have a talent gap. What will it take before you adjust to the reality that this is a team in the process of being rebuilt? Rex Grossman is not the QB that will lead us back to greatness. That player is not yet on the team. The one player on offense who can provide inspirational leadership through his performance is the QB. Again, he's not yet on the roster.

To rise to the level of the Gibbs I teams will take more time. Right now, the Redskins management is doing a very good job of building the foundation for greatness. We have a much improved team but we still need more pieces to be a perennial contender. Frankly, we need a couple of superstars on offense and the QB must be one of them.

The Franchise QB is the biggest piece of the puzzle that we lack at this time. There is nothing that can be done to make either Grossman or Beck much better than they are now. Deal with it. Some day we'll have the QB we need to lead us.

I'm pleased with where we are at this point. You should be, too. Be patient. After one or two more drafts and FA periods, we may be all the way back. In the meantime, I expect this team to continue to improve.
Yup, exactly.

We have closed the gap on talent a bit this year, but there's still work to do.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:29 PM   #28
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And I don't think Beck has it either.
On what, specifically, are you basing this assessment? The guy hasn't played enough, and in critical situations, for you to haphazardly toss out a statement like that without any detail.

What I saw from Grossman this game was a mirror image of every mality he possesses creeping up in the same game. He fumbled twice. I know the stats say once, but let's be honest. He takes too long to come off his first read, and in the process throws an interception on a underthrown pass in to the belly of Sean Lee because he didn't have space for his necessary hitch step. When he's flushed out of the pocket he looks like an oscillating fan searching for pressure instead of maintaining focus, keeping his eyes down field, and making a clutch improvisational play. At one point, during the game deciding fumble scramble, he actually slows down and looks at the sideline. (And I'm making a play for a new nickname for Grossman, "Tyrannosaurus Rex", because of his short vestigial arms, and the fact that he should have been extinct ages ago)There are obviously many more deficiencies in his game, but I could be here all day listing them.

Regarding Beck, from what I've recognized, which clearly has its limitations, he keeps his head up, eyes down field, works through his progressions quickly, senses blitz (as opposed to looking for it), he can glide away from pressure, he's mobile outside of the pocket, he's decisive when confronted with the prospect of free running real estate, his ball is sharp and has volocity, and most importantly Kyle seem to call a different game when Beck is under center. Or atleast you see more opportunities to stretch the field. But if you need someone to throw INTs, lose you games by fumbling away the ball in clutch situations, I'm sure he'd be willing to do that too, if you asked nicely. The dude deserves a shot.

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Old 09-27-2011, 12:40 PM   #29
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Rex is what we thought he was.

He's going to throw dumb picks at times, he's going to fumble, he's not a superstar. That said I wouldn't bail on him anytime soon. He's shown he can be a productive player in this offense. Not sure I agree with all the heat he's taking today. There's more than enough blame to go around for last night.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:47 PM   #30
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Rex is what we thought he was.

He's going to throw dumb picks at times, he's going to fumble, he's not a superstar. That said I wouldn't bail on him anytime soon. He's shown he can be a productive player in this offense. Not sure I agree with all the heat he's taking today. There's more than enough blame to go around for last night.
Just because you wouldn't "bail on him", doesn't mean we shouldn't. If this is an 8-8 season, which it seems like many people agree on, why not play Beck. We already know what we have in Grossman...a glorified backup.

And I agree there are plenty of other places to point the finger. But 2 redzone picks last week, another fumble, the "heat" is well placed.

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