Start John Beck Madness Thread

[CrustyRedskin]

Dang it! and to think i waited all day to check this thread out!!

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

If we go back to the switch last year I could easily say everything you're saying about Beck and more. "What has Rex done lately. McNabb has constantly taken his teams to the playoffs, he's a proven veteran. Rex hasn't started a full season since 2006 what makes you think he's going to be better then McNabb? McNabb is a 6 time pro bowler."




There are no recent numbers outside of the preseason. However that only means so much. Enough QB's have taken off with sparse NFL resumes (ie only preseason starts and a game or two of clean up duty). Matt Schuab, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck,



And ironically I'm not even demanding that Rex be pulled, but I would like to see the coaching staff strongly consider it and decide that if they're going to make the switch that the best time to do so would be the bye week where you could get more reps.

Still I don't care about 3-1 as evidence as to why we should keep Rex. If anyone cares about selling someone like me who's standing on the ledge talk about the third down conversions, the opening drive, the key drops by Hightower and Moss that could have changed the final part of the game. Either way this two turnovers a game trend has to improve. It has to. We cannot win games long term, especially in the playoffs turning the ball over twice a game.

I don't want to sell anything, I'm just thankful that you are not the one making the decision. It would be a bad one.

There may very well be a point in the season where it is time to go to Beck for whatever reason, but right now is not the time. I still think that barring an injury or Rex just completely coming unravelled and losing a game that we should win all by himself - he will be there all year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

If we go back to the switch last year I could easily say everything you're saying about Beck and more. "What has Rex done lately. McNabb has constantly taken his teams to the playoffs, he's a proven veteran. Rex hasn't started a full season since 2006 what makes you think he's going to be better then McNabb? McNabb is a 6 time pro bowler."

There is a significant difference between "What has Rex done lately?" and "What has Beck ever done?"

[53Fan]

Right now I'd rather see KS change some of the plays he calls than see a QB change.

[zeesson]

I also have to say, whenever I hear that we shouldn't change QB "because we are 3-1" I cringe a little bit. This is the most ridiculous reasoning process in the world. It's a little like saying you shouldn't replace your spare tire because it is still getting you back and forth to work everyday. I am NOT saying that we should replace Rex, but what I am saying is that us being 3-1 is not a good reason to not replace Rex. No other position in football is afforded this luxury. It reminds me of Don Burgundy, whenever you started talking about how much he sucked, someone else would start talking about all the games he's won. If Jammal Brown had given up 7 sacks yesterday, we would be calling for his head regardless of what our record was. Whether you keep your job should be based on how you are playing, not what our record is. For me, the most basic fundamental of football is consistency. Rex doesn't have it. He is also relatively lazy IMHO.

[CapitalDefense]

We are winning with our running game and our defense.

We are winning with possibly the worst starting QB in the league.

We would be 4-0 without Rex starting these games, I believe that.

Rex is horrible. Whats is more horrible is him running on and off the field like a body builder with his hands clinched and thumbs pointing to the sky.

[SmootSmack]

Beck has accomplished absolutely nothing...NOTHING... to make one believe we'd be undefeated with him at QB these past four weeks. I mean fine, whatever, I suppose you can believe it but I'd be just as "right" in saying we'd be 0-4 with him at QB

[Mattyk]

Shanahan never shies away from making unpopular decisions or going against conventional thinking. If he thought Beck was the guy, he'd be in there already.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by zeesson

I also have to say, whenever I hear that we shouldn't change QB "because we are 3-1" I cringe a little bit. This is the most ridiculous reasoning process in the world. It's a little like saying you shouldn't replace your spare tire because it is still getting you back and forth to work everyday. I am NOT saying that we should replace Rex, but what I am saying is that us being 3-1 is not a good reason to not replace Rex. No other position in football is afforded this luxury. It reminds me of Don Burgundy, whenever you started talking about how much he sucked, someone else would start talking about all the games he's won. If Jammal Brown had given up 7 sacks yesterday, we would be calling for his head regardless of what our record was. Whether you keep your job should be based on how you are playing, not what our record is. For me, the most basic fundamental of football is consistency. Rex doesn't have it. He is also relatively lazy IMHO.

While my spare tire may need replacing, it makes no sense to replace it (while in fact it is STILL holding up) with a tire that may be worse and has demonstrated some cause for concern in that area. I have nothing against either QB. Loved Beck first game....some cause for concern after. I think if our current "spare" completely blows out....you'll get our replacement....but until...3-1 is...fun (I like that)
AND Welcome to the WP

[Mattyk]

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

[Hog1]

I am reminded once again why the bye week is so...tedious

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Seriously.

Has anybody thought about what happens if Beck is not the answer? I look at Grossman like this:

He makes some good plays (such as Moss' touchdown on 4th down against Arizona), and he makes some bad plays (such as boneheaded interceptions).

Now I look at Beck like this:

He's sat on the bench except for his whole horrible career in Miami. Could he provide better play? Possibly. Could he be just as bad, if not worse? Possibly.

Back to my starting point. If Beck is actually worse than Grossman, then what? Do we put Grossman back in? And then bench him again when he sucks? Do we flip flop all season between two qb's best suited to be backups? If Beck was tearing it up in practice and Grossman kept looking like shit, I don't think Shanahan would hesitate to replace Grossman. But so far Grossman has provided us with good and bad highlights, and he's also 3-1 as a starter.

The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Can't have QB ratings around 50 for 2 straight weeks. I hate that Rex Grossman is our starting QB, but at 3-1 you kind of have to stand pat.

Given the praise that Beck has gotten from the Shannys, I don't imagine that Rex can have too many more games like that and keep his job. Problem is, what if you bench him and Beck comes in and stinks up the place? Season goes totally down the toilet at that point.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mooby

The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.

He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.

[SmootSmack]

One interception yesterday and one against Arizona were not his fault...but yes he does turn it over