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Old 10-03-2011, 04:52 PM   #181
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If we go back to the switch last year I could easily say everything you're saying about Beck and more. "What has Rex done lately. McNabb has constantly taken his teams to the playoffs, he's a proven veteran. Rex hasn't started a full season since 2006 what makes you think he's going to be better then McNabb? McNabb is a 6 time pro bowler."
There is a significant difference between "What has Rex done lately?" and "What has Beck ever done?"
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:20 PM   #182
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Right now I'd rather see KS change some of the plays he calls than see a QB change.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:24 PM   #183
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I also have to say, whenever I hear that we shouldn't change QB "because we are 3-1" I cringe a little bit. This is the most ridiculous reasoning process in the world. It's a little like saying you shouldn't replace your spare tire because it is still getting you back and forth to work everyday. I am NOT saying that we should replace Rex, but what I am saying is that us being 3-1 is not a good reason to not replace Rex. No other position in football is afforded this luxury. It reminds me of Don Burgundy, whenever you started talking about how much he sucked, someone else would start talking about all the games he's won. If Jammal Brown had given up 7 sacks yesterday, we would be calling for his head regardless of what our record was. Whether you keep your job should be based on how you are playing, not what our record is. For me, the most basic fundamental of football is consistency. Rex doesn't have it. He is also relatively lazy IMHO.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:31 PM   #184
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We are winning with our running game and our defense.

We are winning with possibly the worst starting QB in the league.

We would be 4-0 without Rex starting these games, I believe that.

Rex is horrible. Whats is more horrible is him running on and off the field like a body builder with his hands clinched and thumbs pointing to the sky.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:34 PM   #185
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Beck has accomplished absolutely nothing...NOTHING... to make one believe we'd be undefeated with him at QB these past four weeks. I mean fine, whatever, I suppose you can believe it but I'd be just as "right" in saying we'd be 0-4 with him at QB
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:36 PM   #186
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Shanahan never shies away from making unpopular decisions or going against conventional thinking. If he thought Beck was the guy, he'd be in there already.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:38 PM   #187
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I also have to say, whenever I hear that we shouldn't change QB "because we are 3-1" I cringe a little bit. This is the most ridiculous reasoning process in the world. It's a little like saying you shouldn't replace your spare tire because it is still getting you back and forth to work everyday. I am NOT saying that we should replace Rex, but what I am saying is that us being 3-1 is not a good reason to not replace Rex. No other position in football is afforded this luxury. It reminds me of Don Burgundy, whenever you started talking about how much he sucked, someone else would start talking about all the games he's won. If Jammal Brown had given up 7 sacks yesterday, we would be calling for his head regardless of what our record was. Whether you keep your job should be based on how you are playing, not what our record is. For me, the most basic fundamental of football is consistency. Rex doesn't have it. He is also relatively lazy IMHO.
While my spare tire may need replacing, it makes no sense to replace it (while in fact it is STILL holding up) with a tire that may be worse and has demonstrated some cause for concern in that area. I have nothing against either QB. Loved Beck first game....some cause for concern after. I think if our current "spare" completely blows out....you'll get our replacement....but until...3-1 is...fun (I like that)
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Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:48 PM   #189
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I am reminded once again why the bye week is so...tedious
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Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.
Seriously.

Has anybody thought about what happens if Beck is not the answer? I look at Grossman like this:

He makes some good plays (such as Moss' touchdown on 4th down against Arizona), and he makes some bad plays (such as boneheaded interceptions).

Now I look at Beck like this:

He's sat on the bench except for his whole horrible career in Miami. Could he provide better play? Possibly. Could he be just as bad, if not worse? Possibly.

Back to my starting point. If Beck is actually worse than Grossman, then what? Do we put Grossman back in? And then bench him again when he sucks? Do we flip flop all season between two qb's best suited to be backups? If Beck was tearing it up in practice and Grossman kept looking like shit, I don't think Shanahan would hesitate to replace Grossman. But so far Grossman has provided us with good and bad highlights, and he's also 3-1 as a starter.

The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.
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Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.
Can't have QB ratings around 50 for 2 straight weeks. I hate that Rex Grossman is our starting QB, but at 3-1 you kind of have to stand pat.

Given the praise that Beck has gotten from the Shannys, I don't imagine that Rex can have too many more games like that and keep his job. Problem is, what if you bench him and Beck comes in and stinks up the place? Season goes totally down the toilet at that point.
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:52 PM   #192
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The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives.
Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.
He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.
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One interception yesterday and one against Arizona were not his fault...but yes he does turn it over
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He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.
Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.
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The prospect of....musical QB rotation is...not awesome. Stand pat...for now.
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