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Old 10-03-2011, 06:58 PM   #196
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Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm not an advocate for either QB. Since we have to have one of them under center, I still lean towards Rex... for now.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:02 PM   #197
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I guess what I'm saying is I'm not an advocate for either QB. Since we have to have one of them under center, I still lean towards Rex... for now.
I'm not either. I'm an advocate for Shanny finding his own elite young playcaller in the draft in the offseason. When Grossman starts screwing up left and right and can't drive the team down the field or score touchdowns, that's when I'll advocate pulling him. But it's not like we have a known quantity at backup, so we might just be wasting this good start to the season if we do that.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:07 PM   #198
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again, he's an average QB, and beck would probably be worse.

we didn't get hasslebeck, so we've got to wait until the draft/FA to fix it, but we knew that going in, so i don't know why some people are soo surprised or panicking now.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:22 PM   #199
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When you lose to a beat up lame ass Cowboys team and barely beat the crapless Rams, their is legitimate grounds for concern. Unless of course one is short sighted. 3-1 yes, convincingly no.

The team is playing great. Grossman, not so great so far. I don't see a problem with anyone wanting Beck at this time.

Honestly even though I thought Beck played better in the preseason, I can still see the other side's point. We know what we will get from Rex; we have no idea what we will get from Beck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:30 PM   #200
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I don't think Shanny should yank Rex, I just wanted to get the silly thread going and out of the way.
I see this thread is still chugging along just fine 12th :FIREdevil

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Old 10-03-2011, 07:53 PM   #201
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Neither Rex or Beck are the long term answers here anyway. Might as well ride Rex as long as we're winning. Makes no sense to make a change right now.
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Couldn't have said it better. Shanahan did the right thing this past offseason, purge the team of the old culture, bring in a strong and deep surrounding cast that works with his system. It builds the foundation. Now he can go get the QB of the future who can come into a half decent situation.

Neither Rex nor Beck are going to win us a SB.
Agreed 100% x 2.

I think the whole Rex-Beck competition was a hoax from the get go. They did it to take the pressure off QB at the draft, and to keep the fans from starting threads similar to this.
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:02 PM   #202
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Agreed 100% x 2.

I think the whole Rex-Beck competition was a hoax from the get go. They did it to take the pressure off QB at the draft, and to keep the fans from starting threads similar to this.
They don't care what the hell we think. Shanahan might be deceptive about a lot of things, but competition is most certainly NOT one of those things.
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:04 PM   #203
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Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.
How do we know Beck isn't capable of making those plays, more plays, or better decisions if we never give him the opportunity to prove himself in a live game format with consequences.

I understand why the people here want to ride Grossman until the wheels fall off. It's the same conservative football mentality that has permeated this franchise and its fan base for the past decade. They're the same people who are complaining that we should run the ball more when we're 6th in the NFL in rushing attempts.

As the saying goes "fortune favors the bold", not fortune favors the prudent.

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Old 10-03-2011, 08:46 PM   #204
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How do we know Beck isn't capable of making those plays, more plays, or better decisions if we never give him the opportunity to prove himself in a live game format with consequences.

I understand why the people here want to ride Grossman until the wheels fall off. It's the same conservative football mentality that has permeated this franchise and its fan base for the past decade. They're the same people who are complaining that we should run the ball more when we're 6th in the NFL in rushing attempts.

As the saying goes "fortune favors the bold", not fortune favors the prudent.
And how do you know that Beck CAN do those things? Answer: you don't.

The fact is, neither Grossman nor Beck are the answer in the end. When it comes to QB play this year, we must grin and bear the situation.

But since some here would like to blindly change QB's, I reinstate my call for Jon Crompton. How do we know that he isn't the next Dan Marino?

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Old 10-03-2011, 09:08 PM   #205
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Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

I'm stoked! 3-1 can't complain.. I just said if they do go w Beck why not? He's prob as good as rex anyway
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:42 PM   #206
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So if we're 3-1, then what's the justification for bringing in Beck?
14 turnovers on 7 starts for Redskins. In a system that he says he is so great in. Not the kind of great I want as our starter. Time to try Beck.
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:50 PM   #207
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What if he is worse and he sets us back a couple of weeks by losing games. This could also effect team unity and our momentum in a negative manner.

I do not like Rex, but he has us where we are even though it may be in spite of him. At the same time he has made some nice throws, and particularly in his touchdown throws.

Would Beck make those throws and would he even get us in the position to F it up in the RZ?

I know from what i have seen of the guy, he is worse then Rex at creating ints. I have a buddy who is a Miami fan and I watched his games for the Dolphins a few years ago. He was awful, and if the defense is creating pressure he is not good.

Why do you guys think we got him for Doug Dutch?
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:56 PM   #208
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Well it's just too bad we didn't get Kyle Orton...who has 13 turnovers in his last 7 starts
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:59 PM   #209
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They don't care what the hell we think. Shanahan might be deceptive about a lot of things, but competition is most certainly NOT one of those things.
Bulls-eye!!! One thing you can be sure about is Mike not giving two sh!ts what people think.
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:03 PM   #210
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There is a significant difference between "What has Rex done lately?" and "What has Beck ever done?"
The decision was made to go with Grossman and Shanahan should stand by his decision until/unless he becomes convinced he cannot win with him, or he get's injured.

I'm convinced before the season is over there's going to be more Grossman vs. Beck discussions. Imagine what this discussion would be like had we actually lost to the Rams and Grossman's two picks were the culprit. The fact we won the game is the main reason why there aren't more fans calling for Beck.....the most popular guy on the team......
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