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Old 10-04-2011, 09:20 AM   #226
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Well if you look at his performance against Dallas, had he converted just 1 time in the RZ we would have won that game. Any average starting QB in the league given the same opportunity would have at least converted 1 in such a important game. It's a shame because everyone else around him played pretty decent, the D played more than decent holding Romo to zero. What more can a QB ask for?

Further, nobody is crying for a QB change, I don't see that at all. Most that are for Beck are content on allowing Rex to continue but would not object to seeing Beck. We are also hoping Rex has a great season.

Honestly, if Rex goes down and Beck is brought in and plays solid, I would bet those of you who are "Rex or nothing" would not want him back when healthy.

It's really a wait and see for me as I am good either way.
Do we actually have this? I believe the "Rex" people are more the...."as long as we're winning" people (as in don't rock the boat). Myself included. IF he should crash....injured.......contract diptheria, and JB comes in and plays well? I think we will all become once again "as long as we're winning" for Beck fans.
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:25 AM   #227
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nothing like Redskin fans when we are winning games. Instead of blasting him for the dallas game, how bout we make the field goal, instead of losing by two, we win by one. Damn, at 3-1 and people still bitch.
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:52 AM   #228
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If Beck was better he would have beat out Rex in preseason. Repeat and rinse.
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:56 AM   #229
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nothing like Redskin fans when we are winning games. Instead of blasting him for the dallas game, how bout we make the field goal, instead of losing by two, we win by one. Damn, at 3-1 and people still bitch.
I agree, anyone can sharpshoot any game and pick out a play that should have been made, its no one play or player that wins or loses a game. I dont think Rex is getting nearly enough credit as I think most overestimate how the O should be playing. Rex is working with a WR corps that is barely average and an O line that is still a work in progress. This team could easily be 0-4 but somehow the O is scoring enough point to win and The D is playing tough. I like that they are finding ways to win.
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:13 AM   #230
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lets sign David Garrard to start
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:40 AM   #231
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wow...I can't believe you two are arguing back and forth about a QB and team that is 3-1. Skins fans can never be happy without controversy.

To your point about Beck being in the system and knowing it after 1yr 3months. Rex has 3 years in the system and I would bet he has a better handle on it than Beck. The backup QB is the best position in football. He is the savior, the man, that is until the starter goes down and he steps in and shits on himself. Then it is well he is a backup what do you expect. Look, Rex is starting because he is the better of the two. Shanny has had two years of these guys on the roster, watching them practice and watching game film. I think they know who is better and who gives us a better chance to win.

Of the 5 INT's, how many of them should have been caught? 3 or 4 right.. So, if the WR catches the ball, are we even having this discussion. NOPE. So go and watch the games again, Rex isn't playing that bad.
Of those 5 ints, which depending on your perspective, could have been several more if the defenders make the catch, I only recognized 2 that are directly attributed to receiver drops, and have nothing to do with ball placement. He also has 2 recorded fumbles on the stat sheet which arguably could have been 3-4. If you subtract the receiver drops from the equation, and add the fumbles, you're still looking at a QB who has thrown 6 TDs to 5-6 turnovers. Ints alone are not the only stat tick to take into account. Is that ratio gleaming with positivity? Hardly.

I know it can be done in this offense, because last year at this point in the season we were #1 in the league in passes over 50 yds (Rex has yet to throw one over 40 this season), and we were 2-2, not a far cry from where we stand today. In the last 3 games Rex has not managed to crack the 78 mark in passer rating, and that's the favorable rating system. I'm not sure how you do the math, but that does not paint the picture of a QB who exudes confidence in a system. I don't believe anyones apprehension with Grossman under center can be considered, in any way, unfounded.

I'm certain Rex will remain at the helm, for now, in order to protect our 1st place tie in the division, but there isn't a lot that the Rex supporters can say that would change his mediocre performance and production. It only seems logical to have a question mark lingering over Grossman, and in the same vein question whether Beck can do better.

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Old 10-04-2011, 06:17 PM   #232
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Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.
Nah...not upset or banging my head....but we should be 4-0.
We lost to a team that could only score field goals against our D.
Rex is like watching a bi-polar train wreck full of turnovers.
Against the Rams, one of the worst teams in the NFL, Rex started good but then slowed down as the game went on and played down to their level. Ugly!
He is so slow to set up on the play action pass. His speed from center, to the fake to the RB with his back to the defense, then turn and throw is molasses-like. His naked bootlegs and rollouts are amateurish at times. Both of the Shanahan's faces during these moments is telling.
Rex was not that much better than Beck in preseason. Beck looked better in certain games. It is not that crazy of an idea to see Beck play if Rex does not improve in the turnovers and red zone.

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Old 10-04-2011, 06:23 PM   #233
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So I guess by most of ur standards john Beck should go start in Dallas foe romo .... lol I'll stick with Rex like I said
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Old 10-05-2011, 01:56 PM   #234
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So I guess by most of ur standards john Beck should go start in Dallas foe romo .... lol I'll stick with Rex like I said
No probably not, maybe Stephen McGee...
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Again, nobody is bitching but I understand your wanting to be on the side of the majority and ignore the obvious. If we need to kick 5-6 field goals to win a game when the opposing team scores zero touchdowns then Beck deserves a shot IMO.

If you just squeak by the Rams well... Lets wait and see what Shanny does, I would not be surprised to see a change at QB this season.

44 it's because we see what the future holds and with REX we know it's only a matter of time until he goes Sanchez on us and losses a game or 2. Yeah he's done a decent job but the last 2 games have been poor and STL had 2 INTs dropped thank god or we prob lose that game. Rex is what he is but Beck on the other hand has more mobility and more accurate according to some so why not try him?
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:04 PM   #236
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So I guess by most of ur standards john Beck should go start in Dallas foe romo .... lol I'll stick with Rex like I said

Tony Romo is 10 times the QB Rex Grossman is bro lets be real
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Again, nobody is bitching but I understand your wanting to be on the side of the majority and ignore the obvious. If we need to kick 5-6 field goals to win a game when the opposing team scores zero touchdowns then Beck deserves a shot IMO.

If you just squeak by the Rams well... Lets wait and see what Shanny does, I would not be surprised to see a change at QB this season.
Before last weeks game one of the announcers said they went back and reviewed all our red zone plays against Dallas and our WR's where not getting any seperation and Rex had no one to throw to. I guess we could ask for him to force a throw or two but then people would bitch about his ints.
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nothing like Redskin fans when we are winning games. Instead of blasting him for the dallas game, how bout we make the field goal, instead of losing by two, we win by one. Damn, at 3-1 and people still bitch.
Probably has more to do with the way we win, than winning itself. Guess some people will never be satisfied unless we win every game convincingly.
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I couldn't be happier at 3-1 and have no complaints, the Q was would it be bad to start Beck? I say no it wouldn't
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If you have no problems with 3-1 why change? To me if you are content with where we are now why change what got us there?
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