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Old 10-05-2011, 02:40 PM   #241
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According to some of Shanny's latest statements there is some evidence that we may in fact see Beck this season. If Rex can pull it together great! Some here are acting as if all we need to do is bare with Rex until we secure a franchise QB well, its been decades and we have not been able to do so so what makes anyone believe that it will happen soon?

Our time is now, Our window of opportunity is now, we need to know for sure that we have the right man in at QB now. I know we are 3-1 but that has more to do with our defense than anything else. We simply are not putting enough points on the board to compete in the later stages of the season.
(The way Rex is playing at this point)

His TD to INT/Fumble ratio is scary to say the least. I don't even want to get into his mobility issues...

I'll say it again, count on Beck playing this season.
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:38 PM   #242
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If Beck isn't going to start then he can crew Dans new yacht.
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Old 10-05-2011, 05:51 PM   #243
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Before last weeks game one of the announcers said they went back and reviewed all our red zone plays against Dallas and our WR's where not getting any seperation and Rex had no one to throw to. I guess we could ask for him to force a throw or two but then people would bitch about his ints.
If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?
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Old 10-05-2011, 05:59 PM   #244
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If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?
We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.
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Old 10-05-2011, 06:07 PM   #245
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Tony Romo is 10 times the QB Rex Grossman is bro lets be real
so his stats this year, and how he played against us, as opposed to how Rex played against them, which isone of most ppls points against Rex.. reflect ur statement accurately?

like I said, by most Beck arguments, he should be getting the.nod over romo too...

not my opinion, but those.Beck fans seem to be going by this.logic....

lol, until Rex bombs a fee times... leave him alone.
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Old 10-05-2011, 06:11 PM   #246
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If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?
So far Beck has not shown me he is the man to make the plays. In 5 yrs he has 5 starts with 1 td 3 ints and he looked like shit in preseason when he was trying to become the starter. Not sure Rex is that much better but he has been to a SB and has experience.
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We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.
I in no way eluded to him being Vick-like, or made a remotely similar comparison. It's quite literal really. "More athletic", which he is. How slender, or vast the margin is clearly open to interpretation. But obviously even a detractor is willing to admit he's "more mobile", which I'd say is a check in the box for Beck.
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Old 10-06-2011, 07:24 AM   #248
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Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it
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Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it
Its so rare that the Skins are 3-1 and actually looking good that Skins fans dont know how to act.
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If you have no problems with 3-1 why change? To me if you are content with where we are now why change what got us there?
Because the coaching staff is aiming for optimal performance now to avoid losses in the future?

I think its fair to say that if the QB made a few more plays in the Cowboys game we could have won?

Well what if Beck could provide those few more plays? (Mind you I'm not saying that I know he can, just what if)
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What if my parents didn't meet? What if the perfect amount of cosmic material was not present to facilitate the Big Bang?

You can go on and on with "what ifs" and you will never reach any logical conclusion. In the end you make the best decision with what you have got, try to be as proactive as you can but if you are successful there isn't a need for change.
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Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it
Earlier in this thread you said it was 2-3 ints that could not be attributed to Rex. Now it seems to be 3-4. Pretty soon Rex won't be held accountable for any of his miscues on the field.

No true Redskins fan is discouraged with a 3-1 start. Especially when you consider that a couple of those wins could have easily gone in the other direction. But just because we're 3-1 does not mean we should simply stand pat, rest on our laurels, and delude ourselves into believing that everything is coming up roses in the mystical land of burgundy and gold. Any team, regardless of record, is always looking to repair, or replace areas where cogs in the machine are poorly functioning. QB is one of those cogs.

As I said before, Grossman has yet to throw a completion for over 40 yds this season. That includes the first 2 games with AA present. Last season we were #1 in the NFL in passes over 50. If you're going to employ a run first attack, you should atleast be of the mindset that in pounding the rock, and pulling LBs and safeties into the box, your main objective in the passing game is to exploit the lack of coverage downfield. And if Rex were throwing ints in those circumstances where he's attempting to stretch the field vertically I don't think I'd be as harsh of a critic, because in all reality the worst that could happen is the DB runs the int back for a TD, and that is pretty rare once you've already effected the the amount of field, and distance he has to cover in order to find the endzone. In the pro catagory, your receiver catches the pass, which rapidly impacts the field position, and drastically improves your scoring opportunities. Or your receiver catches the pass, shakes his coverage, and scores. Or you draw a flag, holding, or pass interference. Either option extends the drive. Or you throw an incompletion and live to play another down.

I've already addressed, in previous posts in this thread and others, the deficiencies I see in Rex's game so I don't feel the need to rehash all of that. I'll just say that everything you've stated has already been covered from a diametric view.

We're not classless fans who are never satisfied. We're a collective group of realists who have the foresight to recognize when something is amiss. You can't dismiss critical thought from a progessive discussion just because you don't like a schism.

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What if my parents didn't meet? What if the perfect amount of cosmic material was not present to facilitate the Big Bang?

You can go on and on with "what ifs" and you will never reach any logical conclusion. In the end you make the best decision with what you have got, try to be as proactive as you can but if you are successful there isn't a need for change.
This is not one of those hypothetical past "what if" scenarios that the coaching staff has no way of proving or impacting. The "what if", in this case, can easily be remedied if you simply play the guy.
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Sure, but like I said no need to make a change if you achieving your goal of winnings games.

You don't just do something because you are unsure of the possible outcome. What if I went up to my boss and demanded a raise or else? Well I am not going to do that right now because I am getting a fair-market value and secure position in a tough economic climate. There would be no need for me to take such a "what if" action. Same applies in this situation. You can "what if" all you want, but in the end, change is not needed nor wanted by the owner, coach or players (the only ones that matter in this decision if I may add). All we do is win win win!
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Sure, but like I said no need to make a change if you achieving your goal of winnings games.

You don't just do something because you are unsure of the possible outcome. What if I went up to my boss and demanded a raise or else? Well I am not going to do that right now because I am getting a fair-market value and secure position in a tough economic climate. There would be no need for me to take such a "what if" action. Same applies in this situation. You can "what if" all you want, but in the end, change is not needed nor wanted by the owner, coach or players (the only ones that matter in this decision if I may add). All we do is win win win!
If you had been on the job long enough that you'd facilitated an atmosphere where you were clearly an irreplaceable commodity there would be no reason why you shouldn't have the gusto to demand a raise. Rex has not quelled the pre-existing doubts with his perfomances, and has not proven to be that irreplaceable leader who is a force that will drive this franchise forward. Therefore he is expendable, and the next guy in line should be afforded the same opportunity to prove or disprove his merit. Someone who does just enough to get by is often overlooked for potentially greener pastures. But if your hypothetical solution is to manacle yourself to an underwhelming player out of fear that the ramifications for change would be to risky, it seems stagnant to me, but it's your perspective.

Isn't it always the easiest out to say, the coaches make the decisions, and abandon any independent thought outside of that? They are human, and they too are capable of flaw.

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