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Old 10-16-2011, 05:10 PM   #331
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We have not seen anything of Beck yet. We do not yet know for sure what we have in Beck. Hopefully we will see in the next week or two. It is too soon to make that comment.
Agree. Back up QBs always have a bit of an advantage when subbing in. Starting for the team after the opponent has time to gameplan against you is a whole different ball game. Yet I still think MS needs to make the call to start Beck ASAP.
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Old 10-16-2011, 05:11 PM   #332
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I have a hard time giving a feck what Jason Butterfingers Campbell is doing today.
When he was here, he sucked.
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Old 10-16-2011, 05:25 PM   #333
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I have a hard time giving a feck what Jason Butterfingers Campbell is doing today.
When he was here, he sucked.
I don't think I would say Campbell ever totally "sucked".
He just wasn't good, he rarely lost games for us, he rarely won them too.
He didn't throw a lot of picks, but he did take sacks...he was coached by Gibbs who told him to throw it away or take a sack instead of throwing into double coverage the way Grossman does chronically.

Campbell is a game manager and that is all, ironically, that is what we kind of need right now...of course better that that would be good too, which is what they thought they'd get with McNabb...if Beck can get to Campbell's level, I'd say we got a steal from the Ravens when we got him.
I sure hope Beck can manage a game without turning the damn ball over so much they way Grossman does
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Old 10-16-2011, 05:26 PM   #334
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Unless Ryan Kerrigan turns into a year-in year-out All Pro, (and I think he could), not taking a QB in the last draft might be legitimately questioned.

Especially if there's still not going to be a QB worth taking next year. How long can you go without even starting to look for your quarterback of the future?
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Campbell is a game manager and that is all, ironically, that is what we kind of need right now...of course better that that would be good too, which is what they thought they'd get with McNabb...
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I've seen this new phrase several times in the last year...can you let me know what "this" is short for?

I understand it means "I agree" but it must be short for something.
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Old 10-16-2011, 05:45 PM   #337
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I think more often than not you need a quarterback to go out and win the game. That's what separates the playoff and championship teams in this league. Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rivers aren't "managers". You put the ball in their hands to score points and get the win.

A "game manager" would not have helped today. We were behind, couldn't run the ball, and needed two scores in the fourth quarter just to tie the game.
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Unless Ryan Kerrigan turns into a year-in year-out All Pro, (and I think he could), not taking a QB in the last draft might be legitimately questioned.

Especially if there's still not going to be a QB worth taking next year. How long can you go without even starting to look for your quarterback of the future?
No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.
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Unless Ryan Kerrigan turns into a year-in year-out All Pro, (and I think he could), not taking a QB in the last draft might be legitimately questioned.

Especially if there's still not going to be a QB worth taking next year. How long can you go without even starting to look for your quarterback of the future?
You have to debate Ponder/Gabbert at 10 vs. what we got instead, which includes Kerrigan, Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurt.
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No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.
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One thing about Shanahan is that he will not take a QB unless he's truly a skilled one. That's why Cutler is the only 1st round QB he has ever taken.
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You have to debate Ponder/Gabbert at 10 vs. what we got instead, which includes Kerrigan, Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurt.
This is true.

And Ponder presumably has not shown enough to unseat DMac5. Gabbert has played poorly. So if we were looking for a QB for RIGHT NOW, neither of those guys would have provided much of an option.
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Its funny cause I never thought JC was much of a game manager, he always seemed lost out there. It also amazed me that for a guy that played QB his whole life he had 0 pocket awareness.

I think the Skins are better coached and schemed than they have been in years but my bigests concern with Shanny is that he has never done anything with with with a QB not named Elway.
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:53 PM   #344
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No way, Kerrigan was the right choice. The QB last draft class wasnt very good. We made the right moves in the draft.

This year's top prospects are much higher quality guys IMO. Much better.
Not to start an argument, but this QB class wasn't good, huh??

Newton is lighting it up and Dalton has been very effective... leading the Bengals to a 4-2 record. Ponder looked decent in preseason as well... can't judge this class yet, really, but they aren't terrible I know that and I know there is at least 2 that are better than what we have now.

Kerrigan was the right choice... but right now, I think I'd take Dalton over Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurd combined.... that's just me.
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Not to start an argument, but this QB class wasn't good, huh??

Newton is lighting it up and Dalton has been very effective... leading the Bengals to a 4-2 record. Ponder looked decent in preseason as well... can't judge this class yet, really, but they aren't terrible I know that and I know there is at least 2 that are better than what we have now.

Kerrigan was the right choice... but right now, I think I'd take Dalton over Hankerson, Gomes, and Hurd combined.... that's just me.
Cam been super human. Locker, yet to be seen. But neither were in a position to be drafted by us. Ponder and Gabbert were reaches. Dalton, yeah id take him, but not over Kerrigan. I liked Dalton coming out...not as a first round pick. Take a look at some of the QBs coming out this year, there is some really good talent.
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