Start John Beck Madness Thread

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

When a coach benches an all pro quarterback in a game where he just wasnt very effective, or he "wasnt in good enough shape to run the 2 minute offense" (Yeah, and grossman is the epitome of physical strength and conditioning, gimme a fvckin break), then I would say after the past two games we have seen from rex grossman, it certainly is well within the realm of possibility that he sits Grossman and gives beck his shot. Who knows, he could break out and be an above average quarterback for us. One thing I know for certain is that we will not keep winning games like this with the subpar qb play we have witnessed the past 2 weeks. We should count ourselves EXTREMELY lucky to be 3-1 at this point. Our record in NO WAY justifies that Rex Grossmans job is safe, for the fact that none of the wins can be attributed to his stellar play, and all of them save for the giants game COULD have EASILY been lost due to the mistakes he is so prone to making, like he is on cue. Those thinking that Shanahan will not bench Rex based solely on the fact that we have won 3 games at this point of the season is fooling themselves. Rex's play is SCREAMING "Bench Me", and I hope and believe that Shanahan will make the correct call, and put in John Beck over the bye week.

As for this season, you will not find a better time to install a new quarterback with your offense. We know that Rex Grossman cannot be counted on, but John Beck has yet to show that he is as mistake prone as Rex. If we can cut out the INTs, fumbles and idiot throws to the other team that they miraculously fail to catch, then we might just see a little more productivity from our offensive group.

So what happens if you put Beck in and he fumbles twice and throws three pics against Philly? Do you go back to Rex? I mean when does the carousel stop?

You bench Rex now and you can't go back to him in my opinion. That is why he won't be benched until he gets hurt or this team is out of contention.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by pg86

Ok Im watching the replays....u know what...I don't think Rex is to blame...

1. Recievers aren't getting separation we are really missing Armstrong

2. Stop passing on 3rd and 3 Kyle

4. I'm seeing a ton of illegal touching on the guys covering fred davis thats going uncalled.

Don't blame Rex cept for that 1 int

I totally agree with 90% of what you say -- it seems like Davis is getting mauled on offense and Rak/Kerrigan are getting mauled on defense with the refs choosing to ignore it. Kyle really has to improve the playcalling, that's two weeks now where it's been suspect.

That being said -- the Lauranitis INT was an awful decision at a pivotal point in the game. Also, Rex was super lucky, there were two picks where he hit the defender between the numbers and they didn't bring the picks in that could have been INTs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I totally agree with 90% of what you say -- it seems like Davis is getting mauled on offense and Rak/Kerrigan are getting mauled on defense with the refs choosing to ignore it. Kyle really has to improve the playcalling, that's two weeks now where it's been suspect.

That being said -- the Lauranitis INT was an awful decision at a pivotal point in the game. Also, Rex was super lucky, there were two picks where he hit the defender between the numbers and they didn't bring the picks in that could have been INTs.

You could also argue that he was super unlucky. Hightower drops an easy catch. Moss drops an easy catch. A great throw to (I believe) Gaffney on 3rd down is negated because of a questionable false start on Jammal Brown.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Pretty hard to bench your QB when you're 3-1, that's all I'm saying.

No it's not......and I'm only 3 min into the 2nd qtr on the review.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I'm ok with the RB carousel.

[SmootSmack]

Shanahan bench Plummer for Cutler when I think the Broncos were 7-4 and atop the division...so it's not out of the realm of possibility. But I wouldn't make the move and Beck isn't a rookie

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

So what happens if you put Beck in and he fumbles twice and throws three pics against Philly? Do you go back to Rex? I mean when does the carousel stop?

You bench Rex now and you can't go back to him in my opinion. That is why he won't be benched until he gets hurt or this team is out of contention.

Same thing that happens if you keep in Rex and he fumbles twice and throws 3 picks? But if Beck does it then fine you put back in Rex. Still Rex doesn't have the production to justify not considering Beck going into the bye.

I mean why do we keep on saying that the Redskins need to recreate the Hogs but God forbid we consider a QB switch, the type of coaching move that was seen relatively frequently during Gibbs I. By the way Shanahan isn't scared to bench a QB either. He benched Plummer in favor of a rookie Cutler when Plummer was a year removed from the Pro Bowl.

The bottom line is whats best for the team.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Isn't that kind of reactive? I mean, if the warning signs are all there saying get rid of this guy, shouldn't the move be made before he costs us a game?

No. What happens if you replace him and Beck comes in and plays worse? Go back to Rex? Hell no. You don't pull Rex until it starts costing us games, at that point, you put in Beck and roll with him the rest of the way.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Shanahan bench Plummer for Cutler when I think the Broncos were 7-4 and atop the division...so it's not out of the realm of possibility. But I wouldn't make the move and Beck isn't a rookie

Besides, I think too many other things are clicking for the team overall.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You could also argue that he was super unlucky. Hightower drops an easy catch. Moss drops an easy catch. A great throw to (I believe) Gaffney on 3rd down is negated because of a questionable false start on Jammal Brown.

Rex throws an awful ball on 3rd and 3 causing the skins to have to punt late in the game, underthrows Davis on another passing attempt -- we can go back and forth all day, he even had a play where he was flushed out of the pocket and didn't get it back to the line of scrimmage - a grounding penalty which the refs missed.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No. What happens if you replace him and Beck comes in and plays worse? Go back to Rex? Hell no. You don't pull Rex until it starts costing us games, at that point, you put in Beck and roll with him the rest of the way.

What happens if Rex costs us a game or two and Beck comes in and plays really well?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Rex throws an awful ball on 3rd and 3 causing the skins to have to punt late in the game, underthrows Davis on another passing attempt -- we can go back and forth all day, he even had a play where he was flushed out of the pocket and didn't get it back to the line of scrimmage - a grounding penalty which the refs missed.

Exactly we can go back and forth that's why I don't tend to pay attention to the "well he could have an interception there" argument because it's easy to counter one "he could have" with another.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Shanahan bench Plummer for Cutler when I think the Broncos were 7-4 and atop the division...so it's not out of the realm of possibility. But I wouldn't make the move and Beck isn't a rookie

Bingo.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No. What happens if you replace him and Beck comes in and plays worse? Go back to Rex? Hell no. You don't pull Rex until it starts costing us games, at that point, you put in Beck and roll with him the rest of the way.

I'll throw in my own cliche. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

My main reason for considering Beck in the first place is a downward trend the last two games. And the usual excuses for poor QB play weren't in place for this game. The running game was excellent as was the protection (0 sacks on the day with only 4 QB hits). If you can get the Rex you got in week 1 then awesome, you don't replace that guy. However the guy we've seen the last two weeks at QB isn't that hard to replace. Also don't forget this is our bye week. If you're going to attempt a switch this is the ideal time.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

What happens if Rex costs us a game or two and Beck comes in and plays really well?

the defense and running game carried us?

either way it doesnt matter to me. personally i never thought rex had a super strong arm but i thought we'd be seeing more of a PA long ball than we have seen so far. i dont remember may passes over the top so far this year. we've had a good bit of 20+ pass plays but nothing over the top which i thought our running game then PA roll out would set up.

ps dirt i meant to mention that. from the surface a what? 15 for 31, 149pass yds, 1 td 2 int stat line is piss poor for a qb who got sacked zero times. is that possibly they worst stat line, qb rating for a qb who got sacked zero times? elias sports bureau? i think his qb rating was 49 or something